From: Fastjack@yabbs
To: htoaster@yabbs
Subject: re: Group.
Date: Mon Apr 11 13:59:59 1994

yIn message re: Group., htoaster said:
> i'd tend to agree with butterboy...you can always hang out w/ others who hack,
> but don't give yourself a group name or any of that shit, and don't let
> anyone know that you hack together...its easy to get caught, and being in
> a group makes it easier...
> 
> better yet, if you want to learn, don't learn hacking.  get yourself a unix
                                       ^^^^^^^^^
Don't you mean cracking?  Hate to be picky, but I consider myself a 
hacker; someone who understands the system that they are on thoroughly--
whether they are breaking into the system or securing it is irrelevant.  
Contrast this with most of the 'gimme-gimme' guys as cosmos says-- they 
don't want to learn, they just want power and bragging rights.

> account (hey, their cheap...$20/month isn't bad and is realizable in a ton
> of places)...learn the system...program neat stuff...i learned a whole lot
> more writing yabbs than i ever learned breaking into systems...

And I learned a whole lot more about security when I broke into 
systems, and a whole lot more anout breaking into systems when I was 
securing them....:)

:FJ