From: Natalie@yabbs
To: arachnoi@yabbs
Subject: animals
Date: Tue Jun 21 18:57:39 1994

1. You somehow managed to get this out of my post: "If we are promintent 
(salient) then animals not being prominent are subservient".

I never said anything about animals being lesser than us.  That is your 
assumption.  As Zbadba said, don't make assumptions in a debate. Animals 
are different from us, not subservient.  Being different is not a bad 
thing, as you make it sound to be.  

2. If you will not, i said that there are notable exceptions to the 
general rule that animals don'tkill for the same reasons humans do.  
Primates are one example.  Chimpanzees have been known to hunt others of 
their kind in what seems to be a kind of war.  Also gorillas and macaques. 
Many predators (usually hte ones that treavel in packs) have social 
slystems.  Which include status.  Much like in human situations, the 
leadership of the group may be challenged and overthrown.  But you don't 
exactly see wildebeest or gazelles fighting with each other over who is 
boss.  

3. I never watch the original Star Trek.  Je deteste William Shatner.  I 
was only stating a (so I thought) fairly obvious fact about human nature.  
I would have thought that you towering intellect (which puts me to 
shame...why I even think I can challenge you is quite beyong my puny 
mental powers) would have figured this out.  Humans are capricious.  We 
are not by nature a benevolent or peaceful species.  We like to have our 
way...and it can't go on.  We are literally destroying our planet.  We may 
not have to wait for World War 3, we may just run out of resources to 
survive...(and since NASA has become a total waste of time and money we 
have no where else to go)...humanity may cease to exist and we won't have 
anyone to blame for that but ourselves.

natalie