From: Xela@yabbs
To: abort@yabbs
Subject: Hmmm...
Date: Wed Feb  2 14:24:16 1994

    Is anarchy a mental state?  Certainly.  You can call an anarchistic 
group a Temporary Autonomous Zone, and give a song and dance about the 
poetic nature of it, but it is anarchy nonetheless.
    Is anarchy a spiritual state?  What the hell is spirit?  If you are as 
adamant about the control of "church and state" as you say you are, why 
would you replace one form of "spirituality" with another?  The control 
which was in the hands of the Church is now simply in the hands of whoever 
defines spirituality, i.e. the author or representative of TAZ.
    Also in your statement, you claim that humans are programmed for 
obedience, while in the same paragraph, denying any effect that we *are* 
programmed: "you have to brea {sic} out of this and realize that there is 
no need for a controlling body to order us."  This is a major jump from 
"You are programmed from birth to believe that you need a controlling 
force..."  
    "As for how can we get over the manipulation of groups.  blah...etc."
You misunderstand my point completely.  I was talking about the lack of 
choice we have, not only when a govt. says "that's bad," but also when we 
want to travel to the other side of the globe and have no transportation, 
i.e physical controllers.  Individuals can act as power bases, 
manipulating each other for positive/negative (as far as you choose to 
define +/-) as well as multi-billion dollar bureacracies.  All this 
manipulation is programming which psychologically we cannot escape from, 
save death.  Please read Pavlov and Skinner before you answer this point, 
because an entire science of behaviorism has been created around the fact 
that there is no such thing as free will; that we are programmable beings 
(which is why we have evolved to this point) and that outr environmnet 
directly and indirectly controls an individuals behavior.  To make the 
point even clearer, you have been programmed by a government, which you 
don't like, to write your message, and to read TAZ.  Such a government is 
hardly likely to live long, but the point is it has manipulated you
to hate it.

-Alex