From: "Gary Britt" 


"Ellen K."  wrote in message
news:48r9p118855bqipa6t7bvbqflqk0n6ufar{at}4ax.com...
> On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:16:44 -0500, "Gary Britt"
>  wrote in message
:
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> >
> >
> From what source do you derive the "information" that
Israelis "are
> afraid that their beliefs might not stand up to exposure to others
> beliefs"?

Why else have this vague and hard to define law about proslytization.

Thanks for the clarification on citizenship.  What percentage of non-jews
seeking immigration and citizenship are approved?


>
> >It would be like Jerry Falwell being in charge of
> >determining who can get married and who can be a citizen in this country.
> >The religious in Israel is so intertwined with the state that it seems to
me
> >aid to Israel is in fact aid to a religious organization that is
forbidden
> >by USA separation of church and state principles as they are advocated by
> >the ACLU and like organizations.
> Now you are a fan of the ACLU?   That's pretty interesting.

No, no fan of the ACLU.  Just trying to show how it seems to me.

Yes Israel is a democracy, but when that phrase is used in a manner that
might convey the meaning its a democracy in the same form or similar form
to USA as regards personal rights and liberties, that's what I was
objecting to.

> >
> >I'm not against aid to Israel with the above statement.  I'd just like to
> >see the ACLU stop opposing a few million of government dollars to
religious
> >schools and faith based social service organizations, or for them to show
> >appropriately more concern about the 11 Billion dollars that goes each
year
> >to a religious, faith based organization, known as the state of Israel.
I'd
> >like to see the ACLU promote tolerance by minorities for the beliefs of
the
> >majority just as hard as they promote tolerance by the majority for the
> >beliefs of minorities.
>
> Personally I can't stand the ACLU.  Once upon a time they had principles
> which I could respect even if I strongly disliked the results, but no
> more.   Now they just predictably come down on the side of anything that
> will promote degradation and chaos.

Well we agree about the ACLU.  Many christians see it as a deliberately
anti-christian organization, as well as decidedly anti-USA in many ways. 
It is also generally perceived in this country as a "jewish"
organization, and that combined with the perception that it is decidedly
anti-christian isn't a good thing for the long-term.  In the christian
community its often referred to as the Anti-Christian Liberties Union.

>
> By the way, I agree that faith-based organizations should be eligible
> for government dollars at least for non-religious activities, for
> example providing special facilities for disabled children in religious
> schools, supporting programs that feed and shelter the homeless, etc.
>

As is common you and I agree on more than we disagree.

Gary

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