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Subject: Re: Single Payer Universal Health Care
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Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 16:13:58 -0700
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"George Conklin"  wrote in message
news:sYLsc.10069$be.8333@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
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| "W. Baker"  wrote in message
| news:c8t3u6$r6k$1@reader2.panix.com...
| > In alt.support.diabetes Proconsul  wrote:
| >
| > : "Skeptic"  wrote in message
| > : news:9Jbsc.103231$iF6.9532547@attbi_s02...
| > : |
| > : | "Ted Rosenberg"  wrote in message
| > : | news:2hc3bpFb2krnU1@uni-berlin.de...
| > : | >
| > : | >
| > : | > Skeptic wrote:
| > : | > > I don't disagree with much of your overall point, but let me try
| to
| > : | >  : | >
| > : | > You have one major mistake, and it is a MAJOR one.
| > : | > Medicare overhead  is a very small fraction of overhead of prepaid
| > : | > health plans.
| > : |
| > : | Any thoughts as to why?
| >
| > : It's not a fraction of prepaid health plans.....Medicare, like any
| > : government bureaucracy, lives on excessive paperwork managed by hordes
| of
| > : overpaid civil servants. They just conveniently report whatever part
of
| the
| > : cost they want to report....just as those who champion single payer
| don't
| > : tell you that all too often care is rationed and unavailable to
| > : many....another way of keeping costs down. I prefer the private sector
| and
| > : open competition - whenever you have a free market and competition,
| quality
| > : goes up and costs go down....that's an a priori truth.....
| >
| > : PC
| >
| > And HMO's don't ration healthcare unless they are forced?
| >
| > Wendy
| >
|     Mr. PC here ignores the fact that medicine here is twice as expensive
as
| average, and he blames it all on the the small part which provides
universal
| health insurance:  Medicare.  These shills for rapid rising costs forever
| are very shameful.

Read past posts again, slowly, for comprehension.....

Medicine is more expensive here because it is BETTER than you will find
anywhere else and because WE bear virtually all the costs of the development
of new methods, new technology, new drugs, new everything which the rest of
the world gets for free since they contribute nothing to the costs of such
advances.....

I blamed nothing on Medicare - I took issue with the notion that the
socialistic nonsense relating to "single payer" had any merit. It
doesn't....read back again about the "free market" and "competition" and
"privatization" and "getting government out"......!

PC