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Hello Roy - 

CA>>> In countries where people pay for _all_ phone calls per
CA>>> minute (even local) Agora can save some money. Being able
CA>>> to download large files from a direct connect to a local
CA>>> BBS is much more efficient than dealing with Internet
CA>>> pauses and slow connects. 

RJT>> Fido was designed from the ground up with connection
RJT>> efficiency in mind, as the primary thing, it appears. 

CA>> I wasn't referring to FIDO, just any BBS using any
CA>> software. 

RJT> I would think that the same would apply to any bbs
RJT> protocol. 

Agora isn't a protocol it's a 'bot'. 

CA>>> In the USA we get a certain number of local calls for
CA>>> 'free' included with our base charge for just having a
CA>>> telephone. Americans probably don't notice how long it
CA>>> can take for a GUI browser to 'render' the display after
CA>>> it has downloaded all the  data required. 

RJT>> The hell I don't! I've got better things to do than sit
RJT>> here waiting for somebody's idea of a good page to finish
RJT>> loading. I  was looking over a list of local business
RJT>> links earlier this evening, and if a page doesn't come
RJT>> completely up in a minute or so, I'm gone. 

CA>> The 'target' for HTML pages is supposed to be 23 seconds
CA>> to load  and display (or less). 

RJT> Oh? That's an interesting figure, where did you come
RJT> across that info? I don't consider 23 seconds an
RJT> unreasonable time to wait, though much longer than that
RJT> and I start to get bothered by the delay. 

I know people who write websites for a living. :-) 

RJT> It's not the rendering of the page on my end, either, it's
RJT> that it's not all here. 

RJT>> I expect this sort of thing is used to justify faster
RJT>> connections, making the ISPs more money, but I like to be
RJT>> able to take what I've got and use it efficiently. 

CA>> No, not really. There is no direct subsidy between those
CA>> who put up websites and ISPs (usually). 

RJT> The sites in question, though, are _hosted_ by the ISP
RJT> that I'm using. So any delays inherent in things is either
RJT> a matter of the stuff used on the page or their setup with
RJT> networking. Since I'm using an external modem and can
RJT> watch the lights, I can see nontrivial amounts of time
RJT> when there's nothing coming down the pipe at all. 

All people who attempt to write webpages are not created equal. 

RJT>> Besides that, the more I tie up my phone line with a
RJT>> protocol that doesn't consider connect time, the less
RJT>> chance that same phone line has to serve my bbs callers. 

CA>> Sounds like you need an Agora server. :-) 

RJT> I've not been ignoring your posts on the subject, even if
RJT> I haven't otherwise commented much. :-) 

No problem. Seems there are more who talk Perl than actually
understand what it can do. I'm about to drop the topic anyhow. 

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