From: Adam <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near
the bridge">

Rich Gauszka wrote:

The fun part is:

"a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power"

A foreign power is obvious. Oddly AQ probably wouldn't actually count. The
more insidious is "or an agent of a foreign power".

Any American could thus be deemed an agent of a foreign power &
listened to completely outside of the usual legal process.

Where is the "who deems who is an agent of a foreign power"?

Does there have to be proof taken to court?

If not then it is very dangerous.

It is ironic though to note that as AQ are not a "foreign power"
then it's adherants can't really be "agents of a foreign power".



Adam


> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
> news:43a35acd$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>
>>So what are you saying the only situation in my questions that needed a
>>warrant was when the government personnel were on the beach in Virginia?
>>You are saying all other situations without a warrant in my questions were
>>fine with you?
>>
>>They didn't.  They informed congress and the Judge of the FISA court.
>>None
>>said, hey don't do that.  The Judge did apparently tell them they could
>>use
>>non-warrant info to justify a later warrant, which makes no sense to be
>>sense the eavesdropping was perfectly legal, without a warrant.
>>
>>Again from attorney Mark Levin,
>>
>>Some brief background: The Foreign Intelligence Security Act permits the
>>government to monitor foreign communications, even if they are with U.S.
>>citizens -- 50 USC 1801, et seq. A FISA warrant is only needed if the
>>subject communications are wholly contained in the United States and
>>involve
>>a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power.
>>
>>Note: this shows how bureaucracy prevented speed.
>>The reason the President probably had to sign an executive order is that
>>the
>>Justice Department office that processes FISA requests, the Office of
>>Intelligence Policy and Review (OIPR), can take over 6 months to get a
>>standard FISA request approved. It can become extremely bureaucratic,
>>depending on who is handling the request. His executive order is not
>>contrary to FISA if he believed, as he clearly did, that he needed to act
>>quickly. The president has constitutional powers, too.
>>
>
>
> We spy on everyone outside our borders - That's not my problem
>
> I can find the FISA stats from 1979 - 204 but I've seen various statements
> as to speed of approval - MSNBC quick - You slow. Can you provide any
> approval time links ? All accounts I've seen say the court is basically a
> rubber stamp of approval for the administration. This makes the effort to
> circumvent it even more curious
>
> Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Orders 1979-2004
>
> http://www.epic.org/privacy/wiretap/stats/fisa_stats.html
>
>

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