From: "Mark" 

Yea, all this political crap in the middle of a war against beheaders is
not a good thing, not at all. <9/11 has faded, freedom for Iraqis is
unimportant -- unfortunately, it's gonna take another significant attack
here, to give the real Reps enough backbone to quash this kind of
self-defeating McCain/Dem capitulation initiatives>

"Gary Britt"  wrote in message
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> Yes I am pissed about him and the republican idiots in the Senate who
> helped
> this happen along with some other bullshit coming soon affecting
> guantanamo.
>
> Gary
>
> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
> news:43a25ba6$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> Bush finally realized he was pretty much alone fighting the anti-torture
>> proposal
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051216/ap_on_go_pr_wh/congress_detainees
>>
>> President Bush embraced Sen. John McCain's proposal to ban cruel, inhuman
>> and degrading treatment of terrorism suspects on Thursday, reversing
> months
>> of opposition that included White House veto threats.
>>
>> Bowing to pressure from the Republican-run Congress and abroad, the White
>> House signed off on the proposal after a fight that pitted the president
>> against members of his own party and threatened to further tarnish a U.S.
>> image already soiled by the abuses at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison.
>>
>> Bush said the ban and accompanying interrogation standards will
"make it
>> clear to the world that this government does not torture and that we
> adhere
>> to the international convention of torture, whether it be here at home or
>> abroad."
>>
>> After months of fierce negotiations, McCain declared "a done
deal" that
>> he
>> said shows that the United States "upholds values and standards of
> behavior
>> and treatment of all people, no matter how evil or bad they are."
>>
>> "We've sent a message to the world that the United States is
not like the
>> terrorists," the Arizona Republican said while appearing alongside the
>> president in the Oval Office to announce the agreement.
>>
>> The agreement reached Thursday would put the prohibition into law.
>>
>> The White House initially sought to kill the proposal altogether, arguing
>> that the ban and interrogation limits could tie the president's hands
> during
>> wartime. The administration later switched gears and Cheney made a rare
>> personal appeal to all GOP senators for a CIA exemption. Later, the
>> administration sought some protection from prosecution for accused
>> interrogators.
>>
>> Congressional sentiment was overwhelmingly in favor of the ban, and
> McCain,
>> a former Navy pilot who was held and tortured for five and a half years
>> in
>> Vietnam, adopted the issue.
>>
>> The legislation would prohibit "cruel, inhuman or degrading
treatment or
>> punishment" of anyone in U.S. government custody, regardless of where
>> they
>> are held. It also would require that service members follow procedures in
>> the Army Field Manual during interrogations of prisoners in Defense
>> Department facilities.
>>
>> The provision that was added was modeled after the Uniform Code of
> Military
>> Justice, which says military personnel accused of violating interrogation
>> rules can defend themselves if a reasonable person could have concluded
> they
>> were following a lawful order. Those rights - and the right to legal
>> counsel - would be extended to CIA interrogators under the agreement.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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