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echo: indian_affairs
to: JANE KELLEY
from: JIM CASTO
date: 1997-06-04 04:29:00
subject: Re: Religion

 -=> Quoting Jane Kelley to Jim Casto <=-
 JK> We have been carefully taught NOT to accept personal responsiblity for
 JK> our own actions for some years now.
 I assume you are using "we" in a _general_ "American societal" way. I am
 almost 60 years old, not NA and I was always taught that I was totally 
 responsible for my actions. The old saying: "You've made your bed,..."
 JK> Not at all how Indian children
 JK> were raised long ago according to some folks I have talked with and I
 JK> can assure you that not at all how children were raised by my
 JK> grandparents, either!
 
 Actually, I think "shucking the responsibility" is a fairly new (last ten
 years or so) phenomena. And, in many cases, used by the "lazy" who are
 looking for an easy way out.
 
 JC> JK> They want the magic back, Jim.  The magic of Merlin and others that
 JC> JK> was once in all religion.
 
 JK> It is also the myths and fantasy that is important in religion.  The
 JK> same stories, the same myths are repeated over and over again by
 JK> different cultures time and time again.
 
 That's precisely why I don't have a "religion". Myth and fantasy, IMHO.
 
 JK> What they find depends upon who shows them what and where "it" is too
 JK> many times.
 
 That's called "brainwashing".
 
 JK> There are some folks who are born with the ability to think for
 JK> themselves and then there are "the others".
 
 Yes.
 
 JK> No, but I cannot help wondering if Aunt Victoria had anything to do
 JK> with this.
 I don't know for sure, but I _think_ the Campaign for the NMAI has only been
 in place since about 1994 or so.
 JK> Frankly, I prefered the subject matter I had.
 Well, "we" (the ubiquitous, generic, all-encompassing "we") are responsible
 for the subject matter being taught in our schools.
 
 JC> Well, I am learning whilst doing some research for my paper on 
"Washington
 JC> v. Yakima - 1979".
 JK> So few years ago?  What was the general idea of what went on?
 I guess I don't understand what you're asking. This particular case went
 before the Supreme Court in 1978/9, but it _really_ stems from the passage
 of Public Law 280 in the 1950s "Termination" era. From there to the 
re-Civil
 Rights and Civil Rights Eras of the 1960s to the State of Washington ( can
 you say "Slade Gorton"?) vs. The Indians Era.
 
 JK> Hmmmm, one wonders about her parents.
 
 Doesn't mystify me much. There are a _LOT_ of people that either _don't_
 _want_ to know about their heritage or don't want _others_ to know about
 their heritage. Usually caused by guilt or embarrassment. A generic name
 for these people might be: "Americans" or "Conservative Right".
 
 Just picked up and got started in a revised book the other day. (I say
 "revised" because it originally came out in 1980.) The title: "Facing West:
 The Metaphysics of Indian-Hating and Empire-Building". It's by Richard
 Drinnon, who's other great work is titled: "Keeper of Concentration Camps:
 Dillion S. Myer and American Racism".
 "Facing West" is about the concept of "Manifest Destiny" and the "American
 Frontier" and the "American Conquest" and how it didn't end at the shores
 of the North American West Coast mainland, but continued on to the
 Philippines and Viet Nam. Another book along the same themes is: "The White
 Man's Indian" by Robert F. Berkhofer, Jr. that I have recommended before.
 What is going to be interesting about this book is that Drinnon doesn't
 discuss the usual American "icons" (like Custer, Lewis and Clark, etc.).
 He talks about the people "behind the scenes" that "created" the policies
 and attitudes that made and guided those people. This is the kind of book
 that the people who don't want to know about their Anerican Heritage or
 those that don't _want_ anyone to know the "real" history would NOT like.
 Limbaugh would not like this book, I suspect. I don't think Dole or Gingrich
 would like this book. The "Conservative Right" would not like this book.
 Ronald Reagan fans probably couldn't get past the "Preface".
 
 Incidentally, I don't think you were here when I discussed "Keeper of
 Concentration Camps" before, but it's about Dillion Myer who was the primary
 government bureaucrat responsible for _both_ the incarceration of Japanese-
 Americans during WWII _and_ Native American Termination in the 1950s.  
 
 JK> I'm chuckling as I look at other women who are having conversations in
 JK> pure bewilderment.  Most of what some of them say just doesn't
 JK> compute. 
 Would you say they are "Clueless"??
 As they say in the vernacular...  "Well, duh... Whatever..." (Did I get
 the inflection right? )
 Jim
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