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echo: r_catholic
to: stumper
from: Ray Fischer
date: 2007-03-25 22:10:14
subject: Re: God is everything.

From: rfischer{at}sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

stumper   wrote:
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>> stumper   wrote:
>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>> stumper   wrote:
>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>> stumper   wrote:
>>>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>>>> stumper   wrote:
>>>>>>>>> God does not have to have any physical
characteristics.
>>>>>>>>> That's probably what it means when
they say "God is a spirit."
>>>>>>>> I am always entertained when people make
assertions about the nature
>>>>>>>> of a supposedly infinite being that
they've never seen.
>>>>>>> God is everything there ever was, is, and will be.
>>>>>> An impressively arrogant pronouncement from an
infinitesimal speck in
>>>>>> a corner of a limitless universe.  Not unlike a
bacterium on my nose
>>>>>> asserting that the president of the United States
listens to its
>>>>>> prayers.
>>>>> Actually much more than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> The universe is aware of itself
>>>> .... asserts the bacterium.
>>> Through humans.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
>>
>> Idiot.
>>
>>> But I would rather go for a non-theistic interpretation
>>
>> once you learn the difference between reason and wishful thinking.
>
>I don't think you even know what I'm talking about.

    M: (Knock)
    A:   Come in.
    M:   Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
    A:   I told you once.
    M:   No you haven't.
    A:   Yes I have.
    M:   When?
    A:    Just now.
    M:   No you didn't.
    A:   Yes I did.
    M:  You didn't
    A:   I did!
    M:  You didn't!
    A:   I'm telling you I did!
    M:  You did not!!
    A:   Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or
    the full half hour?
    M:  Oh, just the five minutes.
    A:   Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did.
    M:  You most certainly did not.
    A:   Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you.
    M:  No you did not.
    A:   Yes I did.
    M:   No you didn't.
    A:   Yes I did.
    M:   No you didn't.
    A:   Yes I did.
    M:   No you didn't.
    A:   Yes I did.
    M:  You didn't.
    A:   Did.
    M:  Oh look, this isn't an argument.
    A:   Yes it is.
    M:   No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
    A:   No it isn't.
    M:  It is!
    A:   It is not.
    M:  Look, you just contradicted me.
    A:   I did not.
    M:  Oh you did!!
    A:   No, no, no.
    M:  You did just then.
    A:   Nonsense!
    M:  Oh, this is futile!
    A:   No it isn't.
    M:  I came here for a good argument.
    A:   No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
    M:  An argument isn't just contradiction.
    A:   It can be.
    M:  No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements
    intended to establish a proposition.
    A:   No it isn't.
    M:  Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
    A:   Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
    M:  Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
    A:   Yes it is!
    M:   No it isn't!

    A:   Yes it is!
    M:  Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the
    automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
    (short pause)
    A:  No it isn't.
    M:  It is.
    A:  Not at all.
    M:  Now look.
    A: (Rings bell)  Good Morning.
    M:  What?
    A:   That's it. Good morning.
    M:   I was just getting interested.
    A:   Sorry, the five minutes is up.
    M:  That was never five minutes!
    A:   I'm afraid it was.
    M:  It wasn't.
    Pause
    A:   I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
    M:  What?!
    A:   If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another
    five minutes.
    M:  Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
    A:  (Hums)
    M:  Look, this is ridiculous.
    A:   I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
    M:  Oh, all right.
    (pays money)
    A:   Thank you.
    short pause
    M:  Well?
    A:   Well what?
    M:   That wasn't really five minutes, just now.
    A:    I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
    M:   I just paid!
    A:   No you didn't.
    M:   I DID!
    A:   No you didn't.
    M:  Look, I don't want to argue about that.
    A:  Well, you didn't pay.
    M:  Aha. If I didn't pay, why are you arguing? I Got you!
    A:   No you haven't.
    M:  Yes I have. If you're arguing, I must have paid.
    A:   Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
    M:  Oh I've had enough of this.
    A:   No you haven't.
    M:  Oh Shut up.

    (Walks down the stairs. Opens door.)

    M:  I want to complain.
    C:  You want to complain! Look at these shoes. I've only had them
    three weeks and the heels are worn right through.
    M:  No, I want to complain about...
    C:   If you complain nothing happens, you might as well not bother.
    M:  Oh!
    C:   Oh my back hurts, it's not a very fine day and I'm sick and tired
    of this office.


    (Slams door. walks down corridor, opens next door.)

    M:  Hello, I want to... Ooooh!
    H:   No, no, no. Hold your head like this, then go Waaah. Try it
    again.
    M:  uuuwwhh!!
    H:   Better, Better, but Waah, Waah! Put your hand there.
    M:  No.
    H:   Now..
    M:  Waaaaah!!!
    H:   Good, Good! That's it.
    M:  Stop hitting me!!
    H:  What?
    M:  Stop hitting me!!
    H:   Stop hitting you?
    M:  Yes!
    H:   Why did you come in here then?
    M:   I wanted to complain.
    H:   Oh no, that's next door. It's being-hit-on-the-head lessons in
    here.
    M:  What a stupid concept.

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer{at}sonic.net

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