From: "Rich Gauszka" 

The premise was the use of violence ( the invasion of another country ) to
justify the result

"Gary Britt"  wrote in message
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>I don't understand your premise.
>
> Can't answer.
>
> Gary
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> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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>> How about something more realistic - There is this country ( Iraq )and it
>> never has menaced me directly but I have this suspicion although I can't
>> find any proof that it  -just may in the future.  Plus the person running
>> that country is a rather foul fellow. Should I attack them?  Before you
>> answer you as a Catholic may wish to consider what one of your popes said
>> about violence and 'the end justifies the means'. Note the 'NEVER'
>>
>>
>> Pope John Paul II said "Violence begets violence" and
the Catholic Church
>> has long since condemned violence, for the "end never justifies the
> means."
>> We may never use an evil means to seek a good end or purpose.
>>
>>
>> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
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>> > So if you reasonably believe a person has a gun and is about to murder
>> > your
>> > 6 month old baby, and if you act on that belief by shooting and killing
>> > that
>> > person.  Then when it turns out that person had a squirt gun full of
> holy
>> > water, the shooter is a sinful murderer under your religion?
>> >
>> > Gary
>> >
>> > "Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
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>> >> > It depends on what you reasonably believed at the
time you acted.
> Its
>> > not
>> >> > an absolute.
>> >>
>> >> It's absolute to me.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Bob Comer
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Gary Britt" 
wrote in message
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>> >> > It depends on what you reasonably believed at the
time you acted.
> Its
>> > not
>> >> > an absolute.
>> >> >
>> >> > Gary
>> >> >
>> >> > "Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
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>> >> >> > That is not a bar to self defense.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Of course, but if you kill only on suspicion and
you're wrong, that
>> >> >> definitely breaks that commandment.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Bob Comer
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Gary Britt"
 wrote in message
>> >> >> news:439dd171$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >> >> > That is not a bar to self defense.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Gary
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Robert Comer"
 wrote in
>> >> >> > message
>> >> >> > news:439dcd1d$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >> >> >> Thou shall not kill...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Bob Comer
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Gary Britt"
 wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:439dc9ce$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >> >> >> > Au contraire, Even more so when it
might involve USA citizens
>> >> >> >> > getting
>> >> >> >> > killed.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Gary
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "Robert Comer"
 wrote in
>> >> >> >> > message
>> >> >> >> > news:439db83c{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >> >> >> >> Not when it involves killing.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> Bob Comer
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> "Gary Britt"
 wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> news:439db669$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >> >> >> >> > Better safe than sorry.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Gary
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > "Robert Comer"
 wrote in
>> >> >> >> >> > message
>> >> >> >> >> > news:439db2cb$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >> >> >> >> >> You don't know they're not.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> >> Bob Comer
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> "Gary
Britt"  wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >> >> news:439daf9f$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>> >> >> >> >> >> > You don't know
they are imaginary.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Gary
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> > "Robert
Comer"  wrote
> in
>> >> >> >> >> >> > message
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Imaginary
WMD's don't mean that they are there either.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bob Comer
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Gary
Britt"  wrote in
> message
>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > None
found doesn't mean none there.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Gary
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
"Robert Comer" 
> wrote
>> > in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > message
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> Yes, and you know this how?
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No
WMD's of course.
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Bob Comer
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
"Gary Britt"  wrote in
>> > message
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> Yes, and you know this how?  How many WMD's have
> you
>> >> > looked
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > for
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > land
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> area as large as California, and that doesn't
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > count
>> > the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > land
>> >> >> >> > area
>> >> >> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Syria
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> where they may have gone and where you aren't
> allowed
>> > to
>> >> >> > look
>> >> >> >> > at
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > all.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Gary
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> "Robert Comer"  wrote in
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> > They got the WMD well hid.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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>> Dream on. They would have been found by now.
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>> Bob Comer
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>> "Gary Britt"  wrote in
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>> > They got the WMD well hid.  Democrap traitor
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> > and
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> > US
>> >> >> > senator
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> > Warner
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > went
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > to
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>> > Syria and Saudi Arabia (at a time when he was
> the
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>> > head
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>> > of
>> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >> >> > senate
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>> > intelligence committee) and told Syria and
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>> > Saudi
>> >> > Arabia
>> >> >> >> >> >> > (supporters
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> > Hussein) that Bush was going to invade and they
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>> > should
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>> > prepare.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> > Relying
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> > upon the advice of this well connected democrap
>> >> > traitor,
>> >> >> >> >> > convoys
>> >> >> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > trucks
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>> > began moving lots of something into Syria
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>> > during
>> > the
>> >> > few
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> > months
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > before
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> > invasion.
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>> > Gary
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> > "Robert Comer" 
wrote
> in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> > message
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> > Sanctions weren't working at all,
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>> >>
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>> >> They just got rid of the WMD's and since that
> was
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>> >> the
>> >> >> > aim
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>> >> I
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>> >> don't
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > see
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > how
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>> >> you could say they didn't work.
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>> >>
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>> >> --
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>> >> Bob Comer
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>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >> "Gary Britt" 
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> in
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>> >> > Sanctions weren't working at all, and had we
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> > not
>> >> > gone
>> >> >> > in
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>> >> > the
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>> >> > entirely
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>> >> > corrupt and bought UN would have dissolved
> the
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>> >> > sanctions.
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>> >> > Gary
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>> >> >> > Iraq war was forced on us by Hussein's
>> > failure
>> >> > to
>> >> >> >> > comply
>> >> >> >> >> >> > with
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>> >> >> > orders;
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>> >> >> You mean to produce evidence that 50,000
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>> >> >> been
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>> >> >> destroyed, the same 50,000 gallons that we
>> > still
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>> >> >> years of completely free run of the place?
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>> >> >> Sanctions were working just fine, there was
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