From: "Gary Britt" 


Fair enough, but you omit the fact that Clinton's people argued to congress
that the President has "inherent constitutional authority" that
isn't defined by these statutes.  Just like the current President's advisor
say.

Next your quote points out the problem for Bush and why he had to exercise
his inherent constitutional authority.  Read the part below you quoted
where the attorney general has to certify that no US Person will be
surveiled. Then tell me how the attorney general could make such a
certification when all they have that needs  to be quickly and instantly
acted upon is a list of phone numbers some which might be cell phones with
foreign numbers but operating out of the US or US telephone numbers which
may or may not have US Persons at the other end.

Then explain to me how if that's all the info you have how you convince a
judge that you have probable cause to believe a crime has been committed by
the person at the other end of the phone number when that's all you have.
Even terrorists have to call their turbin makers, tailors, and order out
for pizza now and then.  FISA requires a criminal law, full probable cause
approach, when a US Person might be involved and is wholly inadequate for
protecting this country.

FISA exists because the left has never stopped viewing the world through
the prism of a bunch of unwashed hippies looking at Nixon, Johnson, and
Vietnam. This so colors their thinking they are unfit to lead or even have
input on these matters, and their lack of nuance is shown in how they are
unable to even discuss these matters without saying if we don't maintain an
Al Qaeda bill of rights then the sky is falling and we are all suffering
from KGB and Hitler type control and surveillance.

Gary




"Randy H"  wrote in message
news:43a9779f{at}w3.nls.net...
> Fact Check: Clinton/Carter Executive Orders Did Not Authorize Warrantless
> The top of the Drudge Report claims “CLINTON EXECUTIVE ORDER: SECRET
SEARCH
> ON AMERICANS WITHOUT COURT ORDER…” It’s not true. Here’s the breakdown –
> What Drudge says:
>
>   Clinton, February 9, 1995: “The Attorney General is authorized to
approve
> physical searches, without a court order”
>
> What Clinton actually signed:
>
>   Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) [50 U.S.C. 1822(a)] of the
> [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance] Act, the Attorney General is
authorized
> to approve physical searches, without a court order, to acquire foreign
> intelligence information for periods of up to one year, if the Attorney
> General makes the certifications required by that section.
>
> That section requires the Attorney General to certify is the search will
not
> involve “the premises, information, material, or property of a United
States
> person.” That means U.S. citizens or anyone inside of the United States.
>
> The entire controversy about Bush’s program is that, for the first time
> ever, allows warrantless surveillance of U.S. citizens and other people
> inside of the United States. Clinton’s 1995 executive order did not
> authorize that.
>
> Drudge pulls the same trick with Carter.
>
> What Drudge says:
>
>   Jimmy Carter Signed Executive Order on May 23, 1979: “Attorney General
is
> authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign
> intelligence information without a court order.”
>
> What Carter’s executive order actually says:
>
>   1-101. Pursuant to Section 102(a)(1) of the Foreign Intelligence
> Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1802(a)), the Attorney General is
> authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign
> intelligence information without a court order, but only if the Attorney
> General makes the certifications required by that Section.
>
> What the Attorney General has to certify under that section is that the
> surveillance will not contain “the contents of any communication to which
a
> United States person is a party.” So again, no U.S. persons are involved.
>
>
>
>
> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
> news:43a8d996$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> > Read 'em and weep boys:  I wonder how Carl Levin, Russ Feingold, and
> > Barbara
> > Boxer are going to explain this to the American People.
> >
> > Next on Drudge.  Monkeys spotted flying out of the Ass of Harry Reid.
> > Film
> > at 11:00!!!!!!!!!!!!   LOL
> >
> > From Drudge:
> >
> >
> > CLINTON ADMINISTRATION SECRET SEARCH ON AMERICANS -- WITHOUT COURT ORDER
> >
> > CARTER EXECUTIVE ORDER: 'ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE' WITHOUT COURT ORDER
> >
> > Bill Clinton Signed Executive Order that allowed Attorney General to do
> > searches without court approval
> >
> > Clinton, February 9, 1995: "The Attorney General is authorized to
approve
> > physical searches, without a court order"
> >
> > Jimmy Carter Signed Executive Order on May 23, 1979: "Attorney General
is
> > authorized to approve electronic surveillance to acquire foreign
> > intelligence information without a court order."
> >
> > WASH POST, July 15, 1994: Extend not only to searches of the homes of
U.S.
> > citizens but also -- in the delicate words of a Justice Department
> > official -- to "places where you wouldn't find or would be unlikely to
> > find
> > information involving a U.S. citizen... would allow the government to
use
> > classified electronic surveillance techniques, such as infrared sensors
to
> > observe people inside their homes, without a court order."
> >
> > Deputy Attorney General Jamie S. Gorelick, the Clinton administration
> > believes the president "has inherent authority to conduct warrantless
> > searches for foreign intelligence purposes."
> >
> > Secret searches and wiretaps of Aldrich Ames's office and home in June
and
> > October 1993, both without a federal warrant.
> >
> >
>
>

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