> BobRB>> Satti the same way you did to get rid of Ward?
 >
 >JK> Ward DID, Robert.
 >
 > So let me just understand this correctly... you're saying that Ward
 > organized a ZCC vote to remove Bob Satti from the IC office, and that
 > when the votes were counted, a majority was in favor of his removal.
 > Then Ward was elected. Is that right?

      YES!

 >
 > My information, naturally not first-hand, was that Bob Satti eventually
 > resigned of his own accord, whether under pressure or not, but of his

      NOT true!  Satti was effectively forced out.  The final blow came when
David Moufarrage, newly elected ZC1, stated that he supported Ward for IC,
although I was not aware that Moufarrage held any discussions with any
members of Z1 before he made his position public (bear in mind, I have no
idea what discussion went on between the Z1 RC's and ZC - if anything).

 > own accord, and was _not_ removed by a vote of the ZCC and certainly not
 > by one organized by Ward Dossche. _Then_ Ward was elected IC. Are you
 > saying that's not true?


      Ward organized the whole process to attempt removal of Bob Satti and
become IC himself.  Ward called for the election process, and supervised it.

 >
 > If you reply that the first paragraph is true and the second isn't, that
 > would mean that Bob Satti was recalled by exactly the same procedure as
 > you used this time around to recall Ward. And in that case I wonder why

      Almost EXACTLY!  At that time Ward used the process to become IC
himself, whereas Janis started the process but was NOT interested in
becoming IC herself.  I'm not sure if this is a major or minor difference,
but it's definitely a difference.

 > you haven't been saying this loud and clear everywhere people would
 > listen to you, since it's a vitally important point and would seriously

      Because Janis was not present in any of the 'remove Bob Satti, make Ward
Dossche IC" process.  As I recall, she was only REC11, and more
involved in running the FileGate Project than Fido plitics.


 > undercut Ward's argument that the vote was not policy compliant.


      Like I've repeatedly tried to tell you, the process to replace Satti
with Dossche was the same as was used to replace Dossche with Malcom, the
only difference being what I outlined already.

 >
 > On the other hand, if my second-hand information isn't all that
 > inaccurate and the situation really was as described, it would undercut
 > _your_ position that the vote was policy compliant.

      I am not claiming compliancy or not, but Ward became IC the same way he
ceased being IC - by a vote of all the ZC's.

 >
 > So what really did happen? And spare me the claims that Bob Satti was
 > "forced" out if there wasn't an actual ZCC vote to recall
him. Nothing
 > except that vote - did it or did it not take place - is important here.


      It did indeed take place!

--- GEcho/32 & IM 2.50