From: "Mark" 

But why do you "reckon those rules are out the window now," has
it been set in stone that Bush (and Carter and Reagan and Clinton in
various iterations) having the NSA listen to terrorist collaborators here
in the US talking with terrorists in foreign countries violated any law? I
don't think it has, nor do I think it will.

You do remember that the terrorists that killed a lot of people in NYC, DC,
and in the countryside of PA, were communicating with their fellow whack
jobs in Afghanistan and other countries from our mainland, don't you? Don't
you further think if we'd been monitoring those calls (or hadn't had
"the wall") that perhaps a lot of Americans would still be alive
today? 

"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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> After the 1976 Church committee's investigation of NSA activities in
> spying on Americans ( SHAMROCK etc ) , the NSA adopted stringent rules to
> avoid any repitions.  I reckon those rules are out the window now
>
> http://www.history-matters.com/archive/church/contents.htm
>
> The Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect
> to Intelligence Activities, known as the "Church Committee" after its
> chairman Frank Church, conducted a wide-ranging investigation of the
> intelligence agencies in the post-Watergate period.
>
> The Church Committee took public and private testimony from hundreds of
> people, collected huge volumes of files from the FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS, and
> many other federal agencies, and issued 14 reports in 1975 and 1976. Since
> the passage of the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act in 1992, over
> 50,000 pages of Church Committee records have been declassified and made
> available to the public. These files contain testimony and information on
> U.S. attempts to assassinate foreign leaders, on the Church Committee's
> investigation of the intelligence agencies' response to the JFK
> assassination, and related topics.
>
>
> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>> And the previous examples are?
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>> news:43b354db$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Uh - Why make laws and rules then?
>>>
>>> We are supposed to be a Nation of Law. When did that change?
>>>
>>> Sure it's not a bigeee as surveillance goes but it's yet another example
>>> of NSA's uncaring attitude to our privacy laws
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>>>> Wait Rich, now we're supposed to get our panties in a bunch and wet
>>>> ourselves because a Web site set cookies? We've all got
cookies coming
>>>> out of our ying yang and for far more nefarious purposes than
>>>> protecting the USA. 
>>>>
>>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote
in message
>>>> news:43b34634{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>I reckon the NSA is so used to violating Federal Law
they probably
>>>>>figured what's one more time and after all they only
wanted to track
>>>>>web activity to 2035 when Bush's war on terror may
finally subside
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1700AP_Spy_Agency_Privacy.html
>>>>> NEW YORK -- The National Security Agency's Internet
site has been
>>>>> placing files on visitors' computers that can track
their Web surfing
>>>>> activity despite strict federal rules banning most of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> These files, known as "cookies," disappeared
after a privacy activist
>>>>> complained and The Associated Press made inquiries
this week, and
>>>>> agency officials acknowledged Wednesday they had made a mistake.
>>>>> Nonetheless, the issue raises questions about privacy
at a spy agency
>>>>> already on the defensive amid reports of a secretive
eavesdropping
>>>>> program in the United States.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Considering the surveillance power the NSA has,
cookies are not
>>>>> exactly a major concern," said Ari Schwartz,
associate director at the
>>>>> Center for Democracy and Technology, a privacy advocacy group in
>>>>> Washington, D.C. "But it does show a general lack
of understanding
>>>>> about privacy rules when they are not even following
the government's
>>>>> very basic rules for Web privacy."
>>>>>
>>>>> Until Tuesday, the NSA site created two cookie files that do not
>>>>> expire until 2035 - likely beyond the life of any
computer in use
>>>>> today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don Weber, an NSA spokesman, said in a statement
Wednesday that the
>>>>> cookie use resulted from a recent software upgrade.
Normally, the site
>>>>> uses temporary, permissible cookies that are
automatically deleted
>>>>> when users close their Web browsers, he said, but the
software in use
>>>>> shipped with persistent cookies already on.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10629515/
>>>>>
>>>>> NEW YORK - The National Security Agency's Internet site has been
>>>>> placing files on visitors' computers that can track
their Web surfing
>>>>> activity despite strict federal rules banning most of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> These files, known as "cookies," disappeared
after a privacy activist
>>>>> complained and The Associated Press made inquiries
this week, and
>>>>> agency officials acknowledged Wednesday they had made a mistake.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nonetheless, the issue raises questions about privacy
at a spy agency
>>>>> already on the defensive amid reports of a secretive
eavesdropping
>>>>> program in the United States
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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