howldog (lifeisgood{at}hotmail.com) writes:
> On 16 Mar 2005 12:14:14 -0800, "bluesmama"

> wrote:
>
>>Which would stay with you longer, being spanked once for crying as a
>>child, or being yelled at with something like "big boys don't cry"?
>
> probably the spanking, but maybe thats just me.

It might also depend on which event is the most frequent and routine
occurence.

>>I'm not used to thinking of male "empowerment" issues
because I've only
>>so recently come to the realization that men are subtly and
>>not-so-subtly disempowered in our culture.
>
> how interesting, Did this newsgroup have anything to do with that
> realization, or, not?

Indeed. Its not like she wasn't offered serious reading lists,
from Warren Farrell's " The Myth Of Male Power ", and his other
books, to " Spreading Misandry; The Teaching Of Contempt For Men
In Popular Culture ", Paul Nathanson & Katherine Young.

> So I'm at the point where
>>I'm just able to recognize the disempowering messages. I find it hard
>>to believe there aren't ANY empowering messages for men, though I'd
>>agree that men kicking women's asses certainly isn't - and shouldn't -
>>be portrayed that way.
>
> I agree, however, i dont think images of 100 pound bootiful female
> supermodels kicking 250 pound men gangsters asses, in a totally
> unrealistic way, is very helpful "empowerment" either.

Its bad fantasy, and theres always some of that about.
But, when pretty much all of it goes only one way, thats a clue...

>>This is where I find the problem: there are violent images of women
>>against men that are socially "acceptable", apparently. Rather than
>>pointing that out and fighting against that, it seems like the response
>>by men is to say why can't we do it too? When it's just wrong on all
>>counts, and should be stopped rather than added to.
>
> I've never said, why cant we do it too? I'm totally against violent
> imagery.

Well, conflict is at the heart of drama. No conflict, and you have
an infomercial.

So, there will be drama based on conflict, and even on some
violence, as a part of that conflict. But again, when pretty
much all of that runs only in one way, thats a clue...

Andre

--
" I'm a man... But, I can change... If I have to... I guess. "
                                    The Man Prayer, Red Green.


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