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to: Rich Gauszka
from: Adam
date: 2007-04-25 23:14:06
subject: Re: So much for training the Iraqis

From: Adam <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near
the bridge">

Rich Gauszka wrote:
> back to plan Z?
>

Back to a known plan wot works. Control the population via channeling e.g.
"walled villages" as per malaya etc & take & hold an area
to a degree of making "them" even more worried about being out
and about than you & yours.

It's your "prior to Petraeus" habit of charging in like
Rambo...clearing a city/town/village & then.....buggering off.....

You need to take & hold territory.

The walls are a good start. Holding ground with people is even better (but
walls don't come home in body bags).

Adam

> http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070422/NEWS07/704220606/100
9
>
> U.S. plan backs off training of Iraqis
> Policy shift entrusts security to American troop buildup
> WASHINGTON -- Military planners have abandoned the idea that training Iraqi
> troops will enable U.S. troops to start coming home and now say American
> forces will have to defeat the insurgents and secure control of troubled
> provinces.
> Training Iraqi troops, which had been the cornerstone of the Bush
> administration's Iraq policy since 2005, has dropped in priority, officials
> in Baghdad and Washington said.
>
>  No change has been announced, and a Pentagon spokesman, Col. Gary Keck,
> said training Iraqis remains important.
>
> "We are just adding another leg to our mission," Keck said,
referring to the
> greater U.S. role in establishing security that new troops arriving in Iraq
> are to undertake.
>
> Although President George W. Bush said in a speech Friday in East Grand
> Rapids that Iraqi forces are leading the attacks on insurgents, evidence has
> been building for months that training those troops is no longer the focus
> of U.S. policy and that the troops have been ineffective.
>
> Pentagon officials said they know of no new training resources in U.S. plans
> to dispatch 28,000 more troops to Iraq.
>
> The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they aren't allowed to
> publicly discuss the policy. Defense Secretary Robert Gates made no public
> mention of training Iraqis when he visited Iraq on Thursday.
>
> In a reflection of the need for more U.S. troops, the Pentagon decided
> earlier this month to increase the length of Army tours in Iraq from 12
> months to 15 months. The extension came amid speculation that the U.S.
> commander there, Army Gen. David Petraeus, will ask that the troop increase
> be maintained well into next year.
>
> Iraqi forces viewed as ineffective
>
> Throughout 2006, Casey and top Bush administration leaders touted the
> training as a success, asserting that eight of Iraq's 10 divisions had taken
> the lead in fighting insurgents.
>
> But U.S. forces complained that the Iraqi forces weren't getting support
> from their government and that Iraqi military commanders weren't always
> willing to embrace U.S. tactics. Some everyday Iraqis said they didn't trust
> the country's forces, saying they were sectarian and easily susceptible to
> corruption.
>
> Most troubling: Insurgents and militiamen had infiltrated the forces, using
> their power to carry out sectarian attacks.
>
> In nearly every area where Iraqi forces were given control, the security
> situation rapidly deteriorated. The exceptions were areas dominated largely
> by one sect and policed by that sect.
>
> In Tal Afar, which Bush celebrated last year as an example of success,
> suspected Sunni Muslim insurgents set off a bomb last month that killed as
> many as 150 people, the largest single bombing attack of the war. U.S.
> troops were sent to restore order.
>
>

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