From: "Mark" 

Well, Bob, you think Iacocca sounds like a realist, yet he merely parrots
Moore, therefore you defacto have bought into Moore's propaganda. 

Eh, but this is just way too much of Deja Vu thing for me to get into
again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWKdokcvM7A

"Robert Comer"  wrote in
message news:0s73235gu6ujc3n30qimgmjvudvveo5pnm{at}4ax.com...
> >Well then Bob, here's another interesting factual account that you're
> >likely
>>to buy into hook, line and sinker as well:
>>
>>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/04/14/the-truth-at-last/
>
> Not a chance, I don't read blogs for anything but technical issues,
> everyone doing them has their own agendas or they just plainly think
> too much of themselves.
>
>>But, in the meantime, remember that Iacocca is merely parroting Moore's
>>propaganda almost verbatim, as has been handily discredited the best here:
>>
>>http://www.eppc.org/publications/pubID.2189/pub_detail.asp
>
> Oh yuck, that looks just as bad as a blog.
>
>>But as I said, this is all so old and moldy that I'm perfectly willing to
>>let you churn all the stuff you've bitten off around in your mind to your
>>hearts content. >all
>>over and over and over again>
>
> You can't win.
>
> Oh, and I didn't watch Moore's film, nor treat anything from Moore as
> anything better than what bloggers put out.
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
>
> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:41:51 -0400, "Mark"
 wrote:
>
>>Well then Bob, here's another interesting factual account that you're
>>likely
>>to buy into hook, line and sinker as well:
>>
>>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/04/14/the-truth-at-last/
>>
>>But, in the meantime, remember that Iacocca is merely parroting Moore's
>>propaganda almost verbatim, as has been handily discredited the best here:
>>
>>http://www.eppc.org/publications/pubID.2189/pub_detail.asp
>>
>>But as I said, this is all so old and moldy that I'm perfectly willing to
>>let you churn all the stuff you've bitten off around in your mind to your
>>hearts content. >all
>>over and over and over again>
>>
>>"Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
>>news:uo6323pdp91j3irf36v082t49nc1lkqupk{at}4ax.com...
>>> There's no choice in the matter about what I believe, there's too much
>>> evidence.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob Comer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:18:00 -0400, "Mark"
 wrote:
>>>
>>>>Eh. All of his happy horseshit has been argued against, and
years ago --
>>>>continue to believe it if you want. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
>>>>news:e8v223de7rdvnlnqucvgnlh695jhf3av0q{at}4ax.com...
>>>>> Sounds like he's a realist to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bob Comer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:08:09 -0400, "Mark"
 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Sounds like Lee "bail me out" Iacocca is
in full-blown Bush
>>>>>>Derangement
>>>>>>Syndrome -- a shame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"John Beamish"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>news:op.tqsvcasdm6tn4t{at}dellblack.phub.net.cable.rogers.com...
>>>>>>>
http://www.bordersstores.com/features/feature.jsp?file=wherehaveallthel
eadersgone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong
leader more than any other
>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>> in our history. We needed a steady hand to
guide us out of the
>>>>>>> ashes.
>>>>>>> Where was George Bush? He was reading a story
about a pet goat to
>>>>>>> kids
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Florida when he heard about the attacks. He
kept sitting there for
>>>>>>> twenty
>>>>>>> minutes with a baffled look on his face. It's
all on tape. You can
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> for yourself. Then, instead of taking the
quickest route back to
>>>>>>> Washington and immediately going on the air to
reassure the panicked
>>>>>>> people of this country, he decided it wasn't
safe to return to the
>>>>>>> White
>>>>>>> House. He basically went into hiding for the
day-and he told Vice
>>>>>>> President Dick Cheney to stay put in his
bunker. We were all frozen
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> front of our TVs, scared out of our wits,
waiting for our leaders to
>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>> us that we were going to be okay, and there
was nobody home. It took
>>>>>>> Bush
>>>>>>> a couple of days to get his bearings and
devise the right photo op
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> Ground Zero.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That was George Bush's moment of truth, and he
was paralyzed. And
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> he do when he'd regained his composure? He led
us down the road to
>>>>>>> Iraq-a
>>>>>>> road his own father had considered disastrous
when he was President.
>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>> Bush didn't listen to Daddy. He listened to a
higher father. He
>>>>>>> prides
>>>>>>> himself on being faith based, not reality
based. If that doesn't
>>>>>>> scare
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> crap out of you, I don't know what will.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Hell of a Mess
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a
bloody war with no
>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> winning and no plan for leaving. We're running
the biggest deficit
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> history of the country. We're losing the
manufacturing edge to Asia,
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> our once-great companies are getting
slaughtered by health care
>>>>>>> costs.
>>>>>>> Gas
>>>>>>> prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power
has a coherent energy
>>>>>>> policy.
>>>>>>> Our schools are in trouble. Our borders are
like sieves. The middle
>>>>>>> class
>>>>>>> is being squeezed every which way. These are
times that cry out for
>>>>>>> leadership.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But when you look around, you've got to ask:
"Where have all the
>>>>>>> leaders
>>>>>>> gone?" Where are the curious, creative
communicators? Where are the
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> of character, courage, conviction, competence,
and common sense? I
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get
the point.
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>

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