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to: Mark
from: Robert Comer
date: 2007-04-14 23:53:16
subject: Re: Lee Iococca on Dubya

From: Robert Comer 

>Well then Bob, here's another interesting factual account that you're likely
>to buy into hook, line and sinker as well:
>
>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/04/14/the-truth-at-last/

Not a chance, I don't read blogs for anything but technical issues,
everyone doing them has their own agendas or they just plainly think too
much of themselves.

>But, in the meantime, remember that Iacocca is merely parroting Moore's
>propaganda almost verbatim, as has been handily discredited the best here:
>
>http://www.eppc.org/publications/pubID.2189/pub_detail.asp

Oh yuck, that looks just as bad as a blog.

>But as I said, this is all so old and moldy that I'm perfectly willing to
>let you churn all the stuff you've bitten off around in your mind to your
>hearts content. over and over and over again>

You can't win.

Oh, and I didn't watch Moore's film, nor treat anything from Moore as
anything better than what bloggers put out.

--
Bob Comer



On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 23:41:51 -0400, "Mark"
 wrote:

>Well then Bob, here's another interesting factual account that you're likely
>to buy into hook, line and sinker as well:
>
>http://www.julescrittenden.com/2007/04/14/the-truth-at-last/
>
>But, in the meantime, remember that Iacocca is merely parroting Moore's
>propaganda almost verbatim, as has been handily discredited the best here:
>
>http://www.eppc.org/publications/pubID.2189/pub_detail.asp
>
>But as I said, this is all so old and moldy that I'm perfectly willing to
>let you churn all the stuff you've bitten off around in your mind to your
>hearts content. over and over and over again>
>
>"Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
>news:uo6323pdp91j3irf36v082t49nc1lkqupk{at}4ax.com...
>> There's no choice in the matter about what I believe, there's too much
>> evidence.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:18:00 -0400, "Mark"
 wrote:
>>
>>>Eh. All of his happy horseshit has been argued against, and years ago --
>>>continue to believe it if you want. 
>>>
>>>
>>>"Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
>>>news:e8v223de7rdvnlnqucvgnlh695jhf3av0q{at}4ax.com...
>>>> Sounds like he's a realist to me.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bob Comer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:08:09 -0400, "Mark"
 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Sounds like Lee "bail me out" Iacocca is in
full-blown Bush Derangement
>>>>>Syndrome -- a shame.
>>>>>
>>>>>"John Beamish" 
wrote in message
>>>>>news:op.tqsvcasdm6tn4t{at}dellblack.phub.net.cable.rogers.com...
>>>>>>
http://www.bordersstores.com/features/feature.jsp?file=wherehaveallthele
adersgone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader
more than any other
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide
us out of the ashes.
>>>>>> Where was George Bush? He was reading a story
about a pet goat to kids
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Florida when he heard about the attacks. He kept
sitting there for
>>>>>> twenty
>>>>>> minutes with a baffled look on his face. It's all
on tape. You can see
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> for yourself. Then, instead of taking the quickest
route back to
>>>>>> Washington and immediately going on the air to
reassure the panicked
>>>>>> people of this country, he decided it wasn't safe
to return to the
>>>>>> White
>>>>>> House. He basically went into hiding for the
day-and he told Vice
>>>>>> President Dick Cheney to stay put in his bunker.
We were all frozen in
>>>>>> front of our TVs, scared out of our wits, waiting
for our leaders to
>>>>>> tell
>>>>>> us that we were going to be okay, and there was
nobody home. It took
>>>>>> Bush
>>>>>> a couple of days to get his bearings and devise
the right photo op at
>>>>>> Ground Zero.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was George Bush's moment of truth, and he was
paralyzed. And what
>>>>>> did
>>>>>> he do when he'd regained his composure? He led us
down the road to
>>>>>> Iraq-a
>>>>>> road his own father had considered disastrous when
he was President.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> Bush didn't listen to Daddy. He listened to a
higher father. He prides
>>>>>> himself on being faith based, not reality based.
If that doesn't scare
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> crap out of you, I don't know what will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Hell of a Mess
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a
bloody war with no plan
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> winning and no plan for leaving. We're running the
biggest deficit in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> history of the country. We're losing the
manufacturing edge to Asia,
>>>>>> while
>>>>>> our once-great companies are getting slaughtered
by health care costs.
>>>>>> Gas
>>>>>> prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a
coherent energy
>>>>>> policy.
>>>>>> Our schools are in trouble. Our borders are like
sieves. The middle
>>>>>> class
>>>>>> is being squeezed every which way. These are times
that cry out for
>>>>>> leadership.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But when you look around, you've got to ask:
"Where have all the
>>>>>> leaders
>>>>>> gone?" Where are the curious, creative
communicators? Where are the
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> of character, courage, conviction, competence, and
common sense? I may
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point.
>>>>>
>>>
>

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