From: rfischer{at}sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

stumper   wrote:
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>> stumper   wrote:
>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>> stumper   wrote:
>>>>> Ray Fischer wrote:
>>>>>> stumper   wrote:
>>>>>>> Geoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Do you know what is society?
>>>>>>>>> Can you prove its existence?
>>>>>>>> The existence of society is manifest. Once
again, proof is for
mathematics
>>>>>>>> and moonshiners. Sorry you can't get that
through your dense skull.
You
>>>>>>>> probably have difficulty with the middle
three activities I mentioned
above.
>>>>>>> Actually you are using a private language.
>>>>>> Actually you are in idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are not writing a private journal here.
>>>>>>> You need to figure out the usage other people are using.
>>>>>> YOu need to stop babbling childish nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When in doubt, just Google "scientific proof."
>>>>>>> It gets 828,000 hits.
>>>>>> And "alien abduction" gets over a million.
>>>>> Are you saying that such phenomena do not exist?
>>>> Yep.  There is no evidence that alien abduction actually exists.
>>>>
>>>>> You have lost this argument long time ago.
>>>>> Get over it soon.
>>>> You really are quite the arrogant idiot.
>>>>
>>>>> proof (SHOWING TRUTH)
>>>>> noun [C or U]
>>>>> a fact or piece of information which shows that
something exists or is
true:
>>>>> http://dictionary.cambridge.org
>>>>     "Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary"
>>>>
>>>>     "We publish dictionaries for people learning
English all over the
>>>>     world."
>>>>
>>>>> Do you speak English?
>>>> Better than you.  I don't need a learner's dictionary.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a better definition.  I'm not going to give the
defintion from
>>>> the OED because I don't feel like typing it in, so this
one will have
>>>> to suffice.
>>>>
>>>>     Function:      noun
>>>>     Etymology:     Middle English prof, prove, alteration
of preve, from
>>>>     Anglo-French preove, from Late Latin proba, from Latin
probare to
>>>>     prove -- more at PROVE
>>>>     1 a : the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance
by the mind
>>>>     of a truth or a fact b : the process or an instance of
>>>>     establishing the validity of a statement especially by
derivation
>>>>     from other statements in accordance with principles of reasoning
>>>>     2 obsolete : EXPERIENCE
>>>>     3 : something that induces certainty or establishes validity
>>>>     4 archaic : the quality or state of having been tested or tried;
>>>>     especially : unyielding hardness
>>>>     5 : evidence operating to determine the finding or judgment of a
>>>>     tribunal
>>>>     6 a plural proofs or proof : a copy (as of typeset
text) made for
>>>>     examination or correction b : a test impression of an engraving,
>>>>     etching, or lithograph c : a coin that is struck from a highly
>>>>     polished die on a polished planchet, is not intended for
>>>>     circulation, and sometimes differs in metallic content
from coins
>>>>     of identical design struck for circulation d : a test
photographic
>>>>     print made from a negative
>>>>     7 : a test applied to articles or substances to
determine whether
>>>>     they are of standard or satisfactory quality
>>>>     8 a : the minimum alcoholic strength of proof spirit b
: strength
>>>>     with reference to the standard for proof spirit; specifically :
>>>>     alcoholic strength indicated by a number that is twice
the percent
>>>>     by volume of alcohol present >>>     alcohol>
>>>>
>>>> You're trying to apply definition 1b to the fields of
science where it
>>>> clearly doesn't apply because science depends upon
EVIDENCE while your
>>>> notion of proof depends upon reason.  Not even 1a applies because
>>>> science is always looking for alternate or better explanations for
>>>> observed phenomena.
>>> Even though it was decades ago,
>>> I majored in the philosophy of science
>>
>> Quelle surprise!
>>
>>> in the best university of the country, dear.
>>
>> And I have an BS and and MS, the latter from a better university.
>> And still you debate like a college sophomore.
>>
>>> Your private usage means nothing to me.
>>
>> Now you're lying.  I didn't provide a "private" usage.
>>
>>>>> Can science prove that the earth exists?
>>>> Nope.
>>>>
>>>>> Can science prove that the universe exists?
>>>> Nope.
>>> Do you believe the universe exists?
>>
>> Irrelevant.
>
>Philosophy is not science, dear.

It's not as useful and it has the effect of convincing morons that they
might have some ability to think.

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Ray Fischer
rfischer{at}sonic.net

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