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-> EC> You pointed out no such thing. You cannot possibly find an exception -> EC> in the law when you haven't even found such a law. You have claimed -> EC> that waterboarding is expressly and explicitly illegal. You didn't -> Nevere read the Geneva Conventions, have you. Nevere read the threads in this echo, have you. You claimed that waterboarding is expressly and explicitly illegal, and that it has been since 1898. Everyone knew all along that you were making that up. There is no such law. And it took you a long time and a series of non-responses before you admitted it. So now you shift to claiming that the CAT makes waterboarding illegal. Obviously untrue in a trivial sense, since it is the codification of the CAT into provisions of the US Code that make torture illegal in the US. And untrue in two more significant senses as well. First, it doesn't mention waterboarding at all. And it cannot really do that since, as everyone but Klahn already knows, there is a wide variety of very different things that get referred to by the general name "waterboarding." Second, the CAT only applies to the INTENTIONAL infliction of SEVERE PAIN or SUFFERING, when done for a specific PURPOSE such as obtaining information, and does NOT apply to pain or suffering from lawful sanctions. There are Department of Justice memos where lawyers go into great detail in analyzing the meaning of the CAT and outlinine what interrogation methods would or would not constitute torture. You ignore all that just because you don't want to hear it. "We can also expand this sphere of moral culpability by adding the crime of hypocrisy to the moral offenses. Many of those who embrace the distortion of Scalias words will condemn political rivals who are too eager to accept distortions in their own thinking. The first thing we need are readers who are willing to demand from writers a greater respect for the truth readers who, on discovering such a willful blindness to the facts in an issue say, "I can't trust that writer any more - time to move on and find one who respects truth over rhetoric."" --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5a* Origin: FidoTel & QWK on the Web! www.fidotel.com (1:124/311) SEEN-BY: 10/1 3 11/331 34/999 120/228 123/500 128/2 187 140/1 226/0 249/303 SEEN-BY: 250/306 261/20 38 100 1381 1404 1406 1418 266/1413 280/1027 320/119 SEEN-BY: 396/45 633/260 267 285 712/848 800/432 801/161 189 2222/700 2320/100 SEEN-BY: 2320/105 5030/1256 @PATH: 124/311 140/1 261/38 633/260 267 |
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