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echo: pol_inc
to: Dan Ceppa
from: Earl Croasmun
date: 2009-06-02 17:24:20
subject: Re-reexamining Torture ...

-> Yeah, it's easy:  According to you, Scalia and Cheney, you can legally beat 
-> the living shit out of anyone if you call it "interrogation".  

That is an obvious lie, since I said exactly the opposite.  There are
laws on police brutality.  There are also laws on torture.  Scalia's
point (and you would have known this if you had bothered to READ his
words that were posted here) is that such behavior is covered by
criminal laws but not by the Eighth Amendment.  From that same blog I
directed you to yesterday:

"Those who did not know what Scalia actually meant were intellectually
reckless. They were still people motivated by a desire to hate and, as a
result of that motivation, blinded themselves to relevant facts that a
concerned and responsible person would have seen. I have little doubt,
in most of these cases, that if a liberal had said exactly the same
thing, many of these willfully blinded people would have instantly seen
the fact that, "Oh, no, this liberal that I love (for being liberal) was
not saying that torture is good. He was saying that torture for the sake
of getting information is not punishment in the legal sense. Punishment
means retribution for a past crime not harsh treatment for the purpose
of extracting information."

They did not see this answer in this case because they did not want to
see it. Their desire to score political points against another was
stronger than their desire to see the truth, and their relative lack of
interest in the truth is a moral strike against them."

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