From: "Mark" 

Nope. Just the basic protection and services, but yes there is a bit of
overlap in that socialist regard, as there is always going to be a bit of
gray in life. It turns black when the government pays for the surgery at
the end of the ride though.

I'm just saying that charging the stricken for a ride rubs me wrong,
extremely wrong. I really had no idea that any towns had such a plan. I
imagine they got that way by charging the insurance companies so no one
would "notice" and that's exactly why our healthcare system is
hurting -- time to get the damn healthcare uncoupled from employment so the
consumers of same are paying and demanding lower rates.



"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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> Someone has to pay for the cost of the ambulance ride. All should be taxed
> so Mark can ride the ambulance when he wants? It still sounds like you
> wish a bit of socialism when it benefits you.
>
>
> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>> Not at all Rich, the government exists to protect us from all threats
>> foreign and domestic along with basic infrastructure services such as
>> roads, sewerage service, firefighting and rides to the hospital when we
>> drop to our knees from a heart attack in the middle of the street.
>>
>> Any community that has the audacity to charge for that ride is not a
>> community I want to be associated with -- anyone that lives in such a
>> community should be finding out when the town council meets and giving
>> them a piece of their mind about it. I would, if my town decided to adopt
>> such a BS program.
>>
>> They are not, however, responsible for paying for ripping our chest open
>> and sticking paddles on our heart, nor stocking our refrigerators with
>> food or painting our houses when they become faded...
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>> news:43bb535f$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Gee you now sound like an advocate for socialized medicine.  Or was all
>>> the capitalistic rhetoric on your part a bit of spin? Shouldn't all
>>> services be for profit in the Gary-Mark world of capitalism?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>>>> What's next then? A bill from the firefighters for extinguishing the
>>>> flames at your house? Or, perhaps a bill from the police for their
>>>> investigating your call on a suspicious person in the neighborhood?
>>>> Extra charge if they find him and have to transport him to jail?
>>>>
>>>> These are pretty weird communities that charge their citizens for
>>>> having an accident or a heart attack -- I'm glad I don't
live in one of
>>>> them, and will surely research the local priorities before
considering
>>>> moving somewhere else.
>>>>
>>>> "Glenn Meadows" 
wrote in message
>>>> news:43bb485d{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> Gary, sorry, not true here in Nashville.  The
Ambulance is charged to
>>>>> the ER bill, and to the patient.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Glenn M.
>>>>> "Gary Britt"
 wrote in message
>>>>> news:43bae245$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> Emergency ambulance service is free almost
everywhere.  If you have a
>>>>>> car
>>>>>> wreck and EMT's and an ambulance and police
respond you don't get
>>>>>> charged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a LOT of welfare momma's that use the
FREE ambulance
>>>>>> service to go
>>>>>> to an emergency room for free routine healthcare. 
They do this
>>>>>> because the
>>>>>> free ambulance is cheaper than a taxi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:43bad0a7$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> > Ambulance rides don't cost $1,000.00.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They do anytime I've seen them, and in fact,
that's a little low.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Most counties and cities in the USA
>>>>>>> > (certainly every one that I've lived in)
don't charge ANYTHING for
>>>>>>> > an
>>>>>>> > ambulance ride.  Its like police service.
 You don't get charged
>>>>>>> > when
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> > come out either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've never been in a place that it was free. 
Are you absolutely
>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> that.  (If so, I know a few people that have
been ripped off
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> fierce.)  There's also provisions for
ambulance in any health
>>>>>>> insurance
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>> ever seen and it wouldn't be there if it were free.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Bob Comer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gary Britt"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:43bab309$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> > Ambulance rides don't cost $1,000.00. 
Most counties and cities in
>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>> USA
>>>>>>> > (certainly every one that I've lived in)
don't charge ANYTHING for
>>>>>>> > an
>>>>>>> > ambulance ride.  Its like police service.
 You don't get charged
>>>>>>> > when
>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> > come out either.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Gary
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > "Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>> > news:43baa9ed{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> >> Take the instance of the slightly
better off, but don't have
>>>>>>> >> insurance
>>>>>>> >> for
>>>>>>> >> some reason or are underinsured, they
pay just what Adam said if
>>>>>>> >> they
>>>>>>> >> have
>>>>>>> >> enough money to pay it. (even if they
don't have money to eat
>>>>>>> >> after
>>>>>> that)
>>>>>>> >> Heck, even my insurance wouldn't pay it all.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> --
>>>>>>> >> Bob Comer
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> "Gary Britt"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>> >> news:43baa8fe$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> >> > You only see and hear what you
want to see and hear Adam.  I
>>>>>>> >> > don't
>>>>>> care
>>>>>>> > if
>>>>>>> >> > you ran a hospital, I live here
and I've had plenty of poor
>>>>>>> >> > relatives
>>>>>>> > ride
>>>>>>> >> > for free in ambulances.  Then
get free treatment at hospitals.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > Gary
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > "Adam"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>> >> > news:43ba534c{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> >> >> Gary Britt wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> > That's a LIE.  An
ambulance will come just as fast whether
>>>>>>> >> >> > the
>>>>>>> >> >> > person
>>>>>>> >> > has
>>>>>>> >> >> > money or not.  Just ask
all the welfare mommas who get their
>>>>>> medical
>>>>>>> >> > care
>>>>>>> >> >> > via an ambulance to the
emergency room.  The emergency room
>>>>>>> >> >> > will
>>>>>>> >> >> > take
>>>>>>> >> > them
>>>>>>> >> >> > and treat them for any
life threatening problems whether she
>>>>>>> >> >> > had
>>>>>>> >> > insurance
>>>>>>> >> >> > or not.  County
hospitals and free clinics will provide
>>>>>>> >> >> > medical
>>>>>> care
>>>>>>> >> > that's
>>>>>>> >> >> > not life threatening
for free or very discounted prices.
>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> > Its not government's
job to feed people, provide them
>>>>>>> >> >> > housing or
>>>>>>> >> > healthcare.
>>>>>>> >> >> > People are responsible
for providing for themselves (in
>>>>>>> >> >> > general).
>>>>>>> > Its
>>>>>>> >> >> > government's job to
make sure there is opportunity for those
>>>>>>> >> >> > who
>>>>>>> >> >> > want
>>>>>>> >> >> > to
>>>>>>> >> >> > work to provide these
things for themselves.
>>>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> You want to be a little
careful what you state wrt this as I
>>>>>>> >> >> am in
>>>>>>> >> >> constant contact with US
based healthcare professionals from
>>>>>>> >> >> clinicians
>>>>>>> >> >> to policy makers to
financial people in orgs ranging from the
>>>>>>> >> >> Mayo
>>>>>>> >> >> clinic to the VA to the US
Mil healthcare ppl to Kaiser to
>>>>>>> >> >> Blue
>>>>>> cross
>>>>>>> >> >> etc.etc.
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> I can state that the above
is sort of true.
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> A) ID determines where you
are taken. No health card & it's
>>>>>>> >> >> the
>>>>>>> > cheapest
>>>>>>> >> >> hospital & not the closest.
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> B) Often if with Blue cross
or whoever then you may end up
>>>>>>> >> >> being
>>>>>> taken
>>>>>>> >> >> to that hospital even if it
is 50 miles away.
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> C) Once on the ambulance the
job of the crew is in part to
>>>>>>> >> >> rifle
>>>>>>> > through
>>>>>>> >> >> your possessions looking for
health cards or credit cards.
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> D) Most of even the higher
paid US ppl I am in contact with
>>>>>>> >> >> are
>>>>>>> >> >> basically fearfull of
disease & injury in a way that most
>>>>>>> >> >> europeans
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> >> >> deal with are not.
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> Adam
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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