From: "Phil Payne" 

> > Nah. Look at his sucesses when seen from the his Muslim/arab
> > constituency. Saddam? Gone, Foreign troops in Saudi? Gone. Afghanistan a
> > forgotten war with lots of forgotten dead? etc.
>
> And the end justifies the means? Nah, he's a looney.

He's changed American society more than anyone else this century.  And not
for the better.

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