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echo: pol_inc
to: Bob Klahn
from: Earl Croasmun
date: 2009-06-04 22:45:32
subject: RE: Re-examining Torture

~>  EC> "Nielsen and his fellow prisoners, who were taken to Tokyo,
~>  EC> were beaten and tortured while being interrogated. Among
~>  EC> other things, Nielsen said in interviews, bamboo splints
~>  EC> were shoved under his fingernails and then lighted on fire,
~>  EC> and the bottoms of his feet were burned with hot coals."
~>  EC> Yep, that would clearly be torture.  You left that part out.
 
~>  Since the question was not what are all the ways Japanese
~>  tortured US POWs

There was no "question."  There was your false claim  that the four
Japanese officers who were convicted of war crimes were guilty of pouring
some cups of water over some plastic wrap that was placed in such a way
that Nielsen couldn't ingest any of it,.  In reality they were convicted of
killing and torturing prisoners.  The bamboo splints and the hot coals were
indeed torture.  I doubt that there is anyone in this echo so abominably
stupid that they would believe that the four were convicted of pouring cups
of water over plastic wrap, although some are so blindly partisan that they
will overlook the absurdity of your claim.

~>  but did the Japanese waterboard in the manner
~>  the US did in Iraq,

Another absurd claim that is completely unsupported.  Anyone who has even
casually followed the threads on this knows the differences.

~>  It was irrelevant.

The fact that he was tortured, and the descriptions of the torture, are
relevant for showing your post to be nonsense.


~> ->>  You are
~> ->>  assuming there were only those two methods of the
"water cure".
 
~>  EC> You take one shot, it misfires, and then you have nothing
~>  EC> more to add to the thread.  You could have stopped there,
~>  EC> but you just had to go on to make something up out of thin
~>  EC> air and then falsely attribute it to me. Nothing new.
 
~>  Actually, what I said was in direct response to something you
~>  said

It was not in "response" to anything.  You made up an absurd claim, and
then you falsely attributed it to me.  I pointed that out to you, and you
had an amazingly stupid response.

~>  EC> Actually Moe, Larry and Curly have been acting as if there
~>  EC> is only ONE type of water-related interrogation method, and
~>  EC> they lump everything (Philippines, WW II, Spanish
~>  EC> Inquisition, and so on) together under the generic heading
~>  EC> "waterboarding" as if they were all the same thing.  In the
~>  EC> course of the thread I have discussed at least a half-dozen
~>  EC> very different water-related interrogation methods.  Your
 
~>  I didn't read the entire thread.

EXACTLY!!!  That is no defense against the obvious dishonesty of you making
up such a claim, but it does explain why you thought you might get away
with it.  You made it up and thought MAYBE it was true, because you hadn't
read the thread and were ignorant of the fact that it was untrue.  Now you
kn0ow, and your position seems to be unchanged, though, so that just
compounds your offense.

 
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