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 >> Agreed - that was not my point. My point was that legalizing farm
 >> labor will bring up prices, and while we want to lock down
 >> immigration, the price tag (literally) would present problems.

 TR> There is a big noise about not being able to deport so many
 TR> illegal aliens. Yet, several presidents in the past did
 TR> just that. And the next conservative president should
 TR> follow their example.

 Any president should follow that example. Though deporting them
 really is not necessary, just start puting those who hire them
 in prison, and soon there would be no jobs for them.

 >>  JB> slightly, I don't see a problem.  This is the same argument that was
 >>  JB> used for Obamacare. make everyone suffer to try and solve a problem for
 >>  JB> a few.

 No such argument was made for the ACA.

 >> My argument was that legally immigrated labor would cost the consumer
 >> more. How is that similar to Obamacare arguments?

 TR> The problem isn't that there's no jobs...the REAL problem
 TR> is there are too many Americans who won't work! After years

 That part is absolute bull. When even minimum wage jobs are
 advertised you often see lines around the block. Those are not
 decent wage jobs, but people will take them.

 TR> of welfare checks, food stamps, schools that turn out

 Welfare and food stamps suck. People on minimum wage jobs with
 just a couple kids still qualify for food stamps. People who
 work for Walmart qualify for welfare programs. Walmart has even
 hired counsulors to help their workers sign up for welfare
 programs.

 I don't know if it's still true, but low ranking enlisted men in
 the military, married with a family, used to qualify for food
 stamps.

 TR> `graduates' who know almost as little as when they first
 TR> started...the hammering into certain ethnic groups the
 TR> `victim' mentality...the `we got something coming' notion

 Yes, White Southerners.

 TR> (reparations for something that happened over a hundred and
 TR> fifty years ago)...what else can you expect? --- SBBSecho

 Jim Crow was not 150 years ago. Discrimination is today.

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