From: "Gary Britt" 


"Tony Williams"  wrote in message
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> Gary Britt wrote:
>>  As soon as personal interest and common interest no longer coincide,
> > the communism's principles will either be abandoned by the individuals
or
> > communism's principles will enslave the individuals and deprive them of
> > substantial liberty.
>
> Replace communism with capitalism in the above and the same holds.
> Especially the last sentence, only capitalism comes with a ready-made
> ruling class to do the enslaving.
>

Gee its hard to respond to something so wrong.  1.  No it doesn't hold
true. Capitalism is based upon people busting their arses for their own
self-interest.  Capitalism is what happens when a group of free people
interact with each other.  Capitalism and personal individual freedom of
action are two sides of the same coin.  Capitalism doesn't come with a
ready made ruling class.  Rich people evolve by taking advantages of the
opportunities capitalism/freedom provide.  Some people don't do well under
capitalism because of something wrong with THEM not something wrong with
capitalism.  In communism those same people also don't do well, they are
just joined by the enforced slavery of everyone else.  Communism is nothing
but a robbery of the masses liberty and property rights to benefit the tiny
few who happen to be in control of the military force needed to maintain
the enslavement of the population.

I could keep going, but I'm just too amazed at how any sentient thinking
being who otherwise professes to be in favor of liberty and freedom could
make such a statement.

Gary




> > So yes there is PLENTY wrong with communism's principles.
>
> In the sense you mean, yes - they don't seem to scale well, which is my
> main beef with communism and why I think communist superpowers are
> destined to fail. I mentioned before that I don't believe there's any
> perfect one-size-fits-all political system.
>
> I've lived in both Europe and the US, and have seen the good and bad of
> each system. The US is great if you're lucky enough to have the right
> skills, but I've never seen anywhere with more beggars on the streets
> and sick people who can't afford medical treatment. I like the place and
> have made it my home so please don't think I hate the US - I just
> recognise that its political system is not perfect. Specifically, more
> welfare spending is needed and if that means higher taxes then fine,
> I'll be happy to pay.
>
> --
> Tony
>
> > Gary
> >
> > "Tony Williams"  wrote in message
> > news:43b47bcd$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> >
> >>Gary Britt wrote:
> >>
> >>>I understand what your saying, but once I learned of this
it just seems
> >
> > to
> >
> >>>me the whole holiday of Kwanza is no different than if
David Duke made
> >
> > up a
> >
> >>>"Whitey Day Holiday"
> >>
> >>See, I wouldn't have much problem with that either. I say
"much" because
> >>I'm not too keen on the racist component of either Kwanzaa or the idea
> >>of a "Whitey Day holiday".
> >>
> >>
> >>>based it on fascist principles and then we all stand
> >>>around and pretend that yeah it deserves the same level of treatment
and
> >>>recognition as Christmas, Hanukah, and Ramadan.    NOT.
> >>
> >>They're all an excuse to party when the weather's rotten.
> >>
> >>
> >>>[...] Kwanza is based upon the principles of communism.
> >>
> >>I knew there was something I liked about it. There's nothing wrong with
> >>the principles of communism - it's the implementation that usually
sucks.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Tony
> >
> >
> >

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