From: "Gary Britt" 

Yes I understand what you are saying, but what I'm saying is
"emergency" services ARE the province of any government and that
these very basic services and purposes are NOT about line drawing.  They
are about the definition of government.  A government that does NOT provide
national defense, fire, police, and true emergency accident services is NOT
a government at all.  If the government did not provide national defense
and define its borders, how would you tell there was a country there at
all?  If the government doesn't provide national defense, police, and fire
then what the hell would the government be providing, what purpose would it
serve at all??

You are confusing the point at which government arises (i.e., national
defense, police, fire, and emergency services) with drawing a line on
providing additional ELECTIVE services beyond those necessary to achieve
government's existence.

Its not line drawing or a sliding scale to socialism.  Its the difference
between having a government and NOT having any government.  Hence my
comment about pure libertarianism/anarchy.

Gary
"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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> Really? They are all degrees of society providing a service. Health care
> would just be another add on. It all depends on how many add-ons one is
> willing to accept
>
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> "Gary Britt"  wrote in message
> news:43bbff5d$1{at}w3.nls.net...
> > Basic services such as national defense, fire, police, ambulance don't
> > have
> > anything to do with socialism versus capitalism.  Those services aren't
> > something that requires socialism for a society to provide.  I think you
> > are
> > confusing pure libertarianism/anarchy with capitalism in making this
> > distinction.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
> > news:43bbfa98{at}w3.nls.net...
> >> The point most of us are trying to make was that degrees of socialism
> > aren't
> >> necessarily undesirable for a society. It all depends on perceived
value
> > for
> >> those services.  Some draw the line further up the level than you do
but
> >> most ( even those arguing that socialism is evil incarnate ) readily
> > accept
> >> and desire some of it's benefits.
> >>
> >> The trick for any society has always been where to draw the line
between
> >> capitalism and socialism
> >>
> >>
> >> "Mark"  wrote in message
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> >> > Listen guys, I'm fully cognizant that my position has
contradictory
> >> > elements to it, I suppose I could spend a lot of time
elaborating and
> >> > refining various aspects, but I'm not going to do it. I
simply feel
> >> > that
> >> > fire, police and rescue are the most basic of protective
services to
> >> > citizens and should not be billed out in a piecemeal
fashion as they
> >> > are
> >> > provided to people in trouble.
> >> >
> >> > Illogical or not, that's my story and I'm sticking to it 
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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