-> On 02 Jun 09  02:01:48, Bob Ackley got back to Dan Ceppa 
-> Re: Re-reexamining Torture ..

 DD>> "Well, I think if you are in custody, and you have a policeman who's
 DD>> taken you into custody…," Stahl says.
 
 DD>> "And you say he's punishing you?" Scalia asks.
 
 DD>> "Sure," Stahl replies.
 
 DD>> "What's he punishing you for? You punish somebody…,"
Scalia says.
 
 DC> Amazing.  Cops get to kick the living shit out of you because you 
 DC> haven't been found giulty of anything.  

 BA> That's the lawyer mindset.  Most any lawyer should say the same thing.

There are still laws on how a person has to be treated even as he's 
being arrested. 

 DD>> "Anyway, that’s my view," Scalia says. "And it
happens to be
 DD>> correct."
 
 DC> May Scalia get pulled over and be asked such "questions"
by some cop
 DC> who  mistakes him for a terrorist.  

 BA> The justice *is* legally correct, though.  Legal doesn't mean either
 BA> ethical or moral.  Punishment follows conviction; if you're not
 BA> convicted it's not punishment - it just hurts like punishment.

There is Miranda, based, I believe, on the 5th Amendment.  That should 
also cover torture.  


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