->  EC> One person held him BY the nose, but didn't hold it closed.  If he HAD
->  EC> held it shut, he would have been partially suffocating the subject.
->  EC> The last time you heard (if there was a last time or even a first
->  EC> time), is that equivalent to having plastic wrap or cloth positioned so
->  EC> that "air flow is slightly restricted" while water
is poured from a
->  EC> height of one to two FEET from a CANTEEN CUP (as opposed to a
->  EC> one-gallon pitcher being dumped up the subject's nose)?  If you heard
->  EC> that it is equivalent, you heard wrong.  And you heard from (and are
->  EC> following) someone who has no idea what they are talking about.

-> Apparently you think that simulated drowning is a joke

Apparently you had nothing to say.  Apparently you did not read my
discussion of the video with Wilson.  Apparently you are unaware that
Ceppa and Sauer have expressed a desire to waterboard people, and that I
have not.  Apparently the only thing you can post is a series of jokes,
even if you don't GET the joke.


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