From: Adam <""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near
the bridge">

Tony Williams wrote:
> Adam > wrote:
>
>> Tony Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Adam > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nah. Look at his sucesses when seen from the his Muslim/arab
>>>> constituency. Saddam? Gone, Foreign troops in Saudi? Gone.
>>>> Afghanistan a
>>>> forgotten war with lots of forgotten dead? etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And the end justifies the means? Nah, he's a looney.
>>>
>>
>> Hell how many did Washington & co kill? Did the ends justify the means
>> or were Washington & the rest of the traitorous rebel
terrorists looneys?
>
>
> I don't know - did they attack and kill civilians without warning?
>

Yup

>> How about Mandela & the ANC?
>
>
> They did some bad things (rubber necklace, anyone?) even if they were in
> the name of a good cause, so yes. I had friends in SA at the time and
> the ANC were by no means saints.
>

Uh OK. Is hanging onto power through a use of force (& the threat
thereof) against civies also terrorism? E.g. say Tianamen square?

>> How about Ho Chi Minh? etc.etc.
>
>
> In my mind it comes down to attacking civilians, with or without
> warning. That's wrong, no matter the cause.
>

So the US are terrorists? The sites attacked in Iraq under shock & awe
were mostly civie gov places & there were lots of examples of a
willingness to take civie places with a high likelihood of civie deaths.

>> 3K US people killed & look at the changes vs 20K Afghans killed &
>> millions driven into exile & noone gave a sh*t.
>
>
> I care, and I'm sure a lot of others do too.
>

I'd love to believe you. I'm sure you do now. I'm not so sure prior to 9-11

Adam

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