-=> No, it's shows the sotware prices and the ammount people can
-=> spend on them.
-=> I don't want to annoy you with Eastern Europe's financial
-=> situation, but with
-=> prices being the same as abroad people just can't afford to
-=> buy software.  Of
-=> course, you say at least companyes should buy what they use.
-=> But when a CAD
-=> program costs about ten months salary of someone working
-=> with it, I don't know
-=> who could afford to buy them.
first off..i know this is not exactly my own business, but this WAS a public 
message and hopefully i will be inviting replies and a disscussion by posting 
it, and hell ive got issues with it too!
People CAN afford to buy software anywhere they are...because the best 
software is free...i know anyone who is too stupid to know that and is using 
a computer, probably shouldn't be...
Have to agree on the companies paying for software, like on a per-user basis, 
but then again, according to you're logic, all companies are blood sucking 
pennie pinchers and this one is probably ripping you off too, so what does it 
matter??? Don't bitch about england sucking, because england kicks !@# 
Everything there rules, you guys get all the good stuff...Mr. Bean, the 
chemical brothers etc...
-=> I never said such thing.  I say, that people who make money
-=> out of someone
-=> else's work, like a company, should buy sofware.  With about
-=> 50 percent lower
-=> prices, I think they could gain a lot of customers.  But
-=> what they do, is
-=> support BSA, who then puts out huge posters throughout the
-=> country threatening
-=> with bars and handcuffs.  This simply makes us sick.  Why ?
-=> Because currently
-=> they can't enforce the law, but they could sell much more
-=> just buy maintaining
-=> useful support and giving discounts.  Have you ever tried to
-=> call an M$
-=> support line ?  Well, I have.
BSA feels they need to, maybe it's a combination of paranoia, but they ARE 
there for a reason...i personally don't really think piracy hurts companies 
THAT much, but morally it is wrong and stupid and filled with swarms of 
leaches ready to start hunting for that stupid piece of software out there 
that they will never use....
Don't call M"$" support lines then, obviously you *are* privledged enough to 
have PPP access, so make use of that! You say how poor people are over there, 
well look at me, im using a damn 286!!!! And you know what??? I coudn't be 
happier....
-=> That's it !  By the way, do you know where M$ and other huge
-=> companies would
-=> be if their products were never pirated ?  Nowhere.  Becasue
-=> they had no
-=> shareware, educational or trial versions like Netscape does.
-=> But since - at
-=> least until now - every newly sold PC here contained M$ DOS
-=> (since noone
-=> cared), people only used, and sometimes bought M$ products,
-=> developers only
-=> developed programs for M$ products and so forth.  So don't
-=> tell me piracy has
-=> actually hurt M$, bacause that would mean you totally bought
-=> their storry.
well,, so what you're saying is that piracy HELPS microsoft, yet you DONT 
want microsoft to succeed and have a personal grudge with Bill Gates as it 
seems every computer-ridden moron in the world does! Get you're story 
straight for once, im convinced that you are just trying to make excuses for 
you're (or others) stupidity. Well you know what??? Do you think Christopher 
Columbus said, "I don't have a good boat so i can't sail to discover america" 
no...he used what he had, you are from england so you probably know The 
Prodigy, do you think they sat around all day and said "Gee, we could write 
some killer songs if we just had some better keyboards!" no, for christs sake 
they used what they haD!!! It is a total LIE that people only develop for 
Windows/DOS, even back in the 80's/early 90's when DOS was king!! Maybe only 
"commercial" software, but maybe that's why no pirates go around using like 
BeOS computers or Linux machines, because they ARE superior machines to 
Windows/DOS...but theres no COMMERCIAL SOFTWARE TO PIRATE!!!!
-=> WRONG.  I assume you know nothing about economics, but no
-=> matter, I'll try to
-=> explain.  First of all, M$ and other companies only say,
-=> that their prices are
-=> so high because of piracy.  They calculate out, how (with
-=> what prices) could
-=> they make the biggest profit, and they use those.  It
-=> doesn't matter if twice
-=> as many people buys, it only matters what is the biggest
-=> price these people
-=> would pay.  If in countries like mine there were no piracy
-=> AT ALL, noone would
-=> use buggy M$ products (at least operating systems), and M$
-=> would make no
-=> profit.  This is why they - of course unofficialy - are not
-=> willing to stop
-=> people pirating at all.  They only try to persuade
-=> _companyes_ to buy, and
-=> since companies have a lot to loose, they enter this deal.
-=>
theres a good thought! Microsoft will make more money if people steal there 
software!!! Ya know...why don't we talk ever about Borland sucking so much, 
or Br0derbound or freaking Id Software!!! All of them do the SAME thing as 
microsoft, it's just that gates is a better business man, piracy dosen't harm 
software companies, but it DOES harm the REAL hackers, the cool guys out 
there, the ones who don't give a shit what stupid warez you have and want to 
just have a good time and persue thier hobby, that's who it hurts the most, 
there have been MANY cases where people were blamed for software piracy when 
they had nothing to do with pirating AT ALL!! Pirating is also the cause for 
this stupid documents being worth 10 million $'s and files being considered 
an actual money value....
-=> You bought them already, since you had the money ?  So you
-=> live in a bit
-=> richer country than I do.
Sticking it to him because he's rich eh? Yeah, so what if he's from the 
typical white american family...does it MATTER!!! personality is all that 
counts!
-=> Okay. But tell me, why do they use the same prices here as
-=> in your country ?
-=> Tell me, why they keep telling lies ?  I read an official M$
-=> declaration a few
-=> weeks ago.  It was about why you should use legal software.
-=> They came up
-=> almost empty handed.  The declaration said, legal software
-=> has the following
-=> advantages:
-=> - you get online support  (which is quite shitty here)
    microsoft.com is located in Washington USA, guess what??? we speak the 
same language here in the USA, use the same software...if ms support there 
sucks there than it sucks here and it certainly dosent...once i called up the 
900 number, stayed on with the guy for like 2 hours, and he didn't even 
charge me the $35 for the call because the problem couldn't be resolved...
-=> Do you think they are fair when they keep this up ?  Have
-=> you read a M$
-=> license agreement ?  Both of us know, for example, that
-=> Windows NT can be
-=> hacked quite easily for a trained person.  Still, it has a
-=> very good security
-=> certificate (c3), which would mean it's safe.  Just like M$
-=> internet explorer
-=> has more security bugs than any other product I know about.
Well stupid....if you think a web browser has more "bugs" (lets say flaws) 
than any "product" (lets say software) you know of, i don't know where the 
hell you have been for the past 20 years!!!! I personally don't know anyone 
who would actually hang a modem on a WinNT box and hook it up to the 'net 
anyway! You know what? Netware dosen't even MEET c3 standards and i don't see 
you running around saying how that is so insecure !!! I'm sure you never even 
KNEW that!
-=> Wrong again.  I'm not a kid, I consider myself an adult.  If
-=> you are hateful
-=> and can't reason, you simply loose, meaning you can't defend
-=> your opinion.
you're a warez kiddie no matter how old you are...
-=>  ... Does "PIRATE" software come with a treasure map?
i bet you wish it did....
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