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to: CE
from: bramble
date: 2007-03-25 15:16:14
subject: Re: ANTI-HOMOSEXUAL PASSAGES IN THE BIBLE

From: "bramble" 

On 25 mar, 19:52, "CE"  wrote:
> On Mar 23, 11:48 pm, "ScottyFLL"  wrote:
>
> > On Mar 23, 10:31 pm, "J Young"
 wrote:
>
> > We don't all take the word of your bible as truth.  In fact, the
> > majority of the world's population do not.
>
> Well, let's look at what the majority of the world's population has to
> say on the subject of homosexuality. The majority of people in the
> world are either Christian or Muslim, with an estimated 2.1 billion
> Christians and 1.79 billion muslims in 2006. These two religious
> groups consider homosexual acts to be a sin.
>
> There are also an estimated 376 million buddhists in the world.
> According to the Dalia Lama, homosexual acts are generally considered
> to be sexual misconduct, that is to say, homosexuals are considered to
> be wrong.
>
> So far, that's 2.1 billion plus 1.79 billion plus 376 million.
>
> The hindu position is more nuanced. It seems that in hinduism
> homosexuality is generally recognized but not approved.
>
> To this could be added the 14 million Jews who have similar beliefs
> with regards to homosexuality. A quick search on Wikipedia shows:
> Mythologist and author Devdutt Pattanaik summarised the place of
> homosexuality in Hindu literature: "though not part of the mainstream,
> its existence was acknowledged but not approved." In the Manu Smriti,
> an important Hindu law code probably compiled between 200 BC and 200
> AD, there are punishments for women who has sex with virgins and men
> who have sex with priests.
>
> For the sake of simplicity, let's split the hindu population in half
> on this issue, although it does seem most disapprove of homosexuality.
> Tht's another 450 million people. Scientology's founder wrote of
> curing homosexuals of this orientation, clearly indicating he
> considered it to be wrong. That's another 500 million people.
>
> Leaving aside the many other religions in the world, that's already
> 4.85 billion people who consider homosexuality to be wrong based on
> the writings in their religious texts.
>
> So, yes, you're correct. The majority of the world does not consider
> the Bible itself to be the Truth; there are only 2.1 billion
> Christians in the world.
>
> But any overview of the positions held by world religions shows the
> vast majority of the world's population agrees with the point being
> made by those Bible passages.
>
> Homosexual acts are disordered. They are, quite simply, wrong.

I will desagree with you on the figures.  Muslims, Christians and Jews are
a great population, stop.  Well, you assume they think that, because that
is written in their holy books, but... this idea is forced upon them.  It
cannot be considered a real believe of the people, but a believe they are
subjected to. The religious believes are forced over the people.  You only
need to read a little their holy scriptures to see this is a morality
imposed over people.

And even if homosexuality is not to be advisable for anyone, it has to be
tolerated in a secular society.  And what I take out of all this arguments
is that religious people are a venom for the peace, they are hatemongers,
and generators of wars and cruelty.  You only need to read the Bible or the
Koram.
They are continously justifying all sort of wars and killings of people in
a genocidal way.
 These gods, are genocidal gods.  And it is a shame for humanity that
we are  still praising them.
Bramble

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