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from: R L Measures
date: 2007-03-25 19:24:18
subject: Re: Was Pope Pius XII Soft on Naziism?

From: r{at}somis.org (òR L Measures)

In article ,
bm1{at}nonespam.com wrote:

> òR L Measures wrote:
> > In article ,
> > bm1{at}nonespam.com wrote:
> >
> >> duke wrote:
> >>> On 14 Mar 2007 13:33:56 -0700, "*Anarcissie*"

wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Mar 14, 4:03 pm, duke  wrote:
> >>>>> On 14 Mar 2007 12:37:19 -0700,
"*Anarcissie*" 
> > wrote:
> >>>>>> Now that that's out of the way, we can
discuss what S.o.T. wants
> >>>>>> us to discuss: was Pope Pius XII soft on
Naziism?  For instance,
> >>>>>> we can compare his actions versus the Nazis
with those versus
> >>>>>> the Communists (excommunication).
> >>>>> Besides, the Jews said "thank you so much".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> duke, American-American
> >>>>> *****
> >>>>> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> >>>>> Pope Paul VI
> >>>>> *****
> >>>> The question is for what, exactly?  Compare the behavior of
> >>>> Pope Pius XII with his contemporaries the Metropolitan Bishops
> >>>> Stefan and Kiril of the Bulgarian Orthodox Church.
> >>> Te answer is "exactly for all that he did to protect them from
> > Hitler".  To do
> >>> more would have brought the anger of Hitler more so down
on the Jews.
> >> This is nonsense. If he did not do all that he could, he is complicit
> >> with the nazis. Polish peasants risked everything they had to shelter
> >> one or two Jews or a family. Many, many other ordinary people did as
> >> well, including priests and nuns, at great personal risk.
They are among
> >> the righteous gentiles, many of whom are recognized and
honored for what
> >> they did. I do not see Pius XII among those, and there is a reason. He
> >> did not do what he could, he took no risks, and he was silent on the
> >> subject.
> >>
> >     Pius XII deserves credit for creating the Vatican bank in 1943 to act
> > as a depository for the 50-tons or so of gold the Nazis confiscated from
> > Jewish families they gassed, and for issuing Vatican passports to war
> > criminals Adolph Eichmann, the Kommandant of the Auschwitz death factory,
> > and to Dr. Joseph Mengele.  These passports enabled these two to escape to
> > Argentina after the war.
>
> There's his record.  He's an unrighteous gentile.

ò  ... and he was not infallible.

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