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to: John D.Wentzky
from: Mark Sebree
date: 2007-03-25 19:20:24
subject: Re: Protesters on trial over picketing at abortion worker`s home

From: "Mark Sebree" 

On Mar 25, 9:28 pm, "John D.Wentzky"
 wrote:
> Innews:1174851912.698044.233890{at}y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
> Mark Sebree  typed:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 25, 10:52 am, "John D.Wentzky"

> > wrote:
> >> Innews:1174690060_4897{at}sp6iad.superfeed.net,
> >> J Young  typed:
>
> >>> What ever became of the Constitutionally protected rights to free
> >>> speech and assembly? What about the rights of all those babies
> >>> needlessly killed inside the abortion mill where this worker earns
> >>> her blood money? What harm
> >>> did these protesters cause?
>
>
>>>http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2007/03/22/news/nebraska/doc46015...
>
> >>> PAPILLION - A Sarpy County trial has begun for seven abortion
> >>> opponents who gathered outside the Bellevue home of an abortion
> >>> clinic worker last year.
> >>> The seven are Mary Adam, 70, Mary Hansen, 57, Sharon McKee, 51,
> >>> Joseph Reida, 58, Stephen Zach, 64, all of Omaha; and Sam Liberto
> >>> and Joe McDaniel, both 55 and of Bellevue. They face misdemeanor
> >>> charges of unlawful picketing and disturbing the peace.
>
> >> Disrespectful pro-choice tax leeches in government,
>
> > Which do not exist except in your imagination.
>
> They are in the FCC and other agencies.
> They are on local cop sqauds.
> They are tax leeches and threats upon the liberty of the USA.
> They are also in the U.S. military.
> They are in Planned Parenthood.
> You seem to be allied with them, you liar.
> They are also in MADD.
> They are in NOW.
> They are in the NAACP.

None of these organizations are "disrespectful pro-choice tax leeches
in government".  Planned Parenthood, MADD, NOW, and the NAACP are all
private organizations and not part of the government at all.  The US
Military and the FCC and the local police departments are part of the
government, but they are not disrespectful, pro-choice, or are they tax
leeches.  And not a single one of these groups or organizations is a threat
to liberty.

>
> >> as evidenced by this
> >> story, are committing the crime of treason against the United States
> >> of America.
>
> > There was nothing treasonous in anything mentioned in this story.
> > Again, that is your imagination.  Anti-choice activists made
> > themselves a public nuisance and trespassed on a private individual's
> > home.
>
> How did they trespass against any private home if they were on the peoples'
> property?

They weren't.  They were on private property.  Hers.

> The government has no authority to silence speech on the peoples'  property.

But they do have the authority to arrest people that are picketing in an
unlawful manner, as well as making a public nuisance of themselves.  And
those are the charges against them.

>
> >  And those things ARE against the law.
>
> Censoring the people on public property is treason.

No, it is not.  You obviously do not know what is and what is not treason. 
Try doing some of your own research and find out what it actually is.  And
there was no censorship involved.

>
> >> They must be disciplined.
>
> > Pro-choice advocates have done nothing wrong.
>
> You are in error.

Nope.  Read the article.  The only people that were doing anything wrong
were all anti-choice advocates showing their stupidity.

Perhaps you can show where anyone that was pro-choice was doing anything
wrong in the article.  The police were doing the jobs they were paid for. 
The judge will be doing the job he or she is paid for.  And there is NO
evidence about the political views of those people either way.

>
> > It was the anti-choice advocates that what were trespassing on a private
> > individuals property and harassing her.
>
> I see no proof that anyone other than the property owner herself was on her
> property.

How about the fact that the people were arrested based on film evidence
that they were unlawfully picketing, as well as the complaint of the owner
AND a neighbor?  That is valid proof of wrong doing.

>
> >  And they will be disciplined as the law dictates.
>
> There is no law written that allows prosecution of people who were
> exercising free speech on public property.

Good thing that is not what they are being charged with then.  They are
being charged with unlawful picketing and being a public nuisance, which
there are laws against.

>
> >> They do not respect their elders.
>
> > "Elders" like you do not deserve respect because they
do not respect
> > anyone.
>
> Another statement of treason from Sebree.

Nope.  There is no treason in my statement.  It is a statement of fact, as
you continue to prove.

>
> > And there is no reason why anyone should respect anti-choice
> > activists and their terroristic attitudes and tactics, as well as
> > their complete disrespect for others.
>
> So, lay down your weapons, criminal.

You need to address this to actual criminals, since I am not a criminal. 
And my "weapons" are the truth and my rights.

>
> >> They must be resisted with force.
>
> > Anti-choice activists are being resisted very effectively, and no
> > force is needed.
>
> Another lie from a criminal coward.

Nope.  The truth from a law-abiding and brave citizen and veteran.

>
> > Their own actions and attitudes are works to bring
> > about their downfall.
>
> So, lay down your stolen weapons and join the pro-life crowd.

Why should I join a bunch of liars, hypocrites, idiots, busybodies, and
terrorists that have no respect for the rights and beliefs of others?  I
prefer to remain pro-choice, and be truthful, honest, compassionate, uphold
the rights of others and oppose the terrorism that people like you support.

And prove that I have any stolen weapons, since you claim that I have them.

All you are doing is showing others how lame your position is.

>
> > Basically, you are saying that you do not believe in the First
> > Amendment rights of anyone that disagrees with your position.
>
> You are wrong.
>

No, I am not.  Your entire post supports my statement.  Every time you lie
about me, and call me a traitor or criminal shows that you do not respect
my rights to free speech.  Probably because you know that you cannot show
that anything that I am saying is in any way in error..

> >> The penalty for treason is death.
>
> > No treason is in evidence.  You do not understand what treason is, nor
> > do you get to define what is and is not treasonous.
>
> I know what treason is.

No, you do not.  Your continued statements calling my words treasonous
proves this.  What's more, the usual penalty for treason is a long prison
sentence with no parole.

Here is what "treason" actually means: from Dictionary.com
1.      the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or
kill its sovereign.
2.      a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3.      the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.

And more importantly, here is the definition in the US Code.  As in federal
law, which is the only level that can properly handle cases of treason by
definition.

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/uscode/browse.html
TITLE 18, Part 1, Chapter 115, Section 2381

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against
them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the
United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death,
or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title
but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any
office under the United States."

Now, prove ACCORDING TO THE LAWS AS WRITTEN that I am a traitor as you have
repeatedly claimed.  Stick to the facts, and leave your opinions and
fantasies out of it.  You DO NOT define whom are and are not the enemies of
the United States.  That is defined by the government as well.  Positions
and organizations that are based on the principle of Free Speech and are
working within the laws of the USA are not enemies of the USA, therefore
claiming that I am an enemy of the USA because I tell you the facts to
counter your delusions and I do not agree with your position is not only
hubris on your part, but does not support your position.

> You are a treasonous person.

Nope.  You cannot point to a single actual act of treason that I have
committed.  You are again blatantly and badly lying about me.

Mark Sebree

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