10 Nov 16 23:32, you wrote to me:

 ml>> clothes and they're too ignorant to understand why... you took a
 ml>> shortcut when you assumed that JAMNNTPd supportes RFC-3977 when it
 ml>> doesn't and never purported to do so...

 RC> I am not going to start this ....process up.

you already did several weeks ago...

 RC> I did not take a shortcut..

you sure as hell did, too...

 RC> I am looking at what the issue is with Pan and Knode(Knews) not
 RC> working.

right... you found out that they are not checking for the capability of a mode
switching server before they ASSUME that it is a mode switching server and as
such they are disconnecting based on their ERRONEOUS ASSUMPTION...

 RC> Pan gave the info I needed to start the process, it listed the error
 RC> Error 500 Unknown Command...

no... it reported what JAMNNTPd returned...

 RC> At this point I looked what MODE READER was...

and you didn't look to see if it was something from RFC-977 which is what
JAMNNTPd supports... it does not support anything more than RFC-997 and only
two commands from RFC-2980... you'd have seen this if you had read the
ReadMe.txt file...

 RC> It appears 3 of the most used profer this command up on an intial
 RC> connection.

that doesn't make them or the practise correct...

 RC> No client I've seen goes the route you proffer ie: HELP, parse,
 RC> CAPABILITIES, parse.. send command...that testing is not definitive as
 RC> I tested with 3.

oh well... i guess that means that several others have also taken shortcuts
instead of doing thing properly from the outset...

 RC> It appears the clients are assuming that all servers respond to this,
 RC> and only thunderturkey seems to basically just ignore a 500 error and
 RC> then go ahead and issue LIST.

like i said, it doesn't mean that the practise is correct... it won't be the
first time that a bunch of popular software packages have been doing things
incorrectly all along... quite a few FTN mailers (for an example) used to
specifically work around the flawed transmissions from a specific FTN mailer...
when those mailers all stopped working around that mailer's flaws, that flawed
mailer was finally fixed... think about it... that was roughly two decades
ago...

 ml>> there are quite a few news clients available... Cone, Gemini, Gnus,
 ml>> GRN, KLibido, Knews, KNode, krn, Lucy, Mahogany, SeaMonkey,
 ml>> Thunderbird, Newega, NewsFlex, Newsleader, NN, PAN, PINE, PNNTP, Post
 ml>> Office, Pyne, rn, SkateNews, skim, slrn, Sylpheed, tass, TIN, trn,
 ml>> Trulsnews, XRN, and xvnews...

 RC> Nice list from wiki,

BZZZT! try again! ;)

 RC> outside of Pan, KNode(Knews), tin, thunderturd, never heard of them.

obviously :)

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