From: "Mark" 

I don't disagree, I was pointing out that they were
"plethoraizing" in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 because they
had to do something in the interim while they figured out how to get
intelligence under control again. Now almost 5 years later the NYTs
revisits that period and derides it with the help of coaxed interviews
tilted to their ideology that everything Bush has ever done is wrong.

The NYTs is wrong. 

"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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>A plethora of intelligence information does not always equate to good or
>even accurate information. 
>
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> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>> Well, to quote Homer, Doh! We know we were in a piss-poor intelligence
>> position prior to 9/11 (and everyone was running around trying to get up
>> to speed at breakneck speed), if not the towers would still be standing.
>>
>> We've done a lot to correct that and have taken out multiple cells and
>> thousands of plotters in countries around the world since then, with no
>> thanks to the NYTs and what I can only categorize as their attempts to
>> undermine those same efforts. > as they know not what they do>
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>> news:43cc6c3b{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Sometimes too much info can also be a problem.
>>>
>>>
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/17/politics/17spy.html?hp&ex=1137474000&en=9
5535dcb34270fd6&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON, Jan. 16 - In the anxious months after the Sept. 11 attacks,
>>> the National Security Agency began sending a steady stream of telephone
>>> numbers, e-mail addresses and names to the F.B.I. in search of
>>> terrorists. The stream soon became a flood, requiring hundreds of agents
>>> to check out thousands of tips a month.
>>>
>>> But virtually all of them, current and former officials say, led to dead
>>> ends or innocent Americans.
>>>
>>> F.B.I. officials repeatedly complained to the spy agency that the
>>> unfiltered information was swamping investigators. The spy agency was
>>> collecting much of the data by eavesdropping on some Americans'
>>> international communications and conducting computer searches of
>>> foreign-related phone and Internet traffic. Some F.B.I. officials and
>>> prosecutors also thought the checks, which sometimes involved interviews
>>> by agents, were pointless intrusions on Americans' privacy.
>>>
>>> As the bureau was running down those leads, its director, Robert S.
>>> Mueller III, raised concerns about the legal rationale for the
>>> eavesdropping program, which did not seek court warrants, one government
>>> official said. Mr. Mueller asked senior administration officials about
>>> "whether the program had a proper legal foundation,"
but deferred to
>>> Justice Department legal opinions, the official said.
>>>
>>> "We'd chase a number, find it's a schoolteacher with no indication
>>> they've ever been involved in international terrorism - case
closed,"
>>> said one former F.B.I. official, who was aware of the program and the
>>> data it generated for the bureau. "After you get a
thousand numbers and
>>> not one is turning up anything, you get some frustration."
>>>
>>> Intelligence officials disagree with any characterization of the
>>> program's results as modest, said Judith A. Emmel, a spokeswoman for the
>>> director of national intelligence's office. Ms. Emmel cited a statement
>>> at a briefing last month by Gen. Michael V. Hayden, the country's
>>> second-ranking intelligence official and the director of the N.S.A. when
>>> the eavesdropping program was started.
>>>
>>> "I can say unequivocally that we have gotten information
through this
>>> program that would not otherwise have been available,"
General Hayden
>>> said. The White House and the F.B.I. declined to comment on the program
>>> or its results.
>>>
>>> The differing views of the value of the N.S.A.'s foray into
>>> intelligence-gathering in the United States may reflect both
>>> bureaucratic rivalry and a culture clash. The N.S.A., an intelligence
>>> agency, routinely collects huge amounts of data from across the globe
>>> that may yield only tiny nuggets of useful information; the F.B.I.,
>>> while charged with fighting terrorism, retains the traditions of a law
>>> enforcement agency more focused on solving crimes.
>>>
>>> "It isn't at all surprising to me that people not
accustomed to doing
>>> this would say, 'Boy, this is an awful lot of work to get a tiny bit of
>>> information,' " said Adm. Bobby R. Inman, a former N.S.A.
director. "But
>>> the rejoinder to that is, Have you got anything better?"
>>>
>>> Several of the law enforcement officials acknowledged that they might
>>> not know of arrests or intelligence activities overseas that grew out of
>>> the domestic spying program. And because the program was a closely
>>> guarded secret, its role in specific cases may have been disguised or
>>> hidden even from key investigators.
>>>
>>> Still, the comments on the N.S.A. program from the law enforcement and
>>> counterterrorism officials, many of them high level, are the first
>>> indication that the program was viewed with skepticism by key figures at
>>> the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the agency responsible for
>>> disrupting plots and investigating terrorism on American soil.
>>>
>>>
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