From: "Robert G Lewis" 

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I'm not spinning Mark merely pointing out some of the technicalities.

Opposite side of the same coin, we have Companies making deals with =
foreign powers as well. Do you feel that a company should have greater =
leeway to make a deal with a foreign power than an elected official, or = a
private citizen ?=20

And of course we have had our non elected friendly heads of states  help =
the US out with oil prices in the past through their state owned oil =
companies.. Only difference seems to be you don't like Chavez's = politics.
Would you have a problem with BP or Exxon doing the same thing =
?

Under optimum conditions we would have large numbers of companies =
involved in business with limited government ownership / control. And = not
have a decent part of US refinery capacity ( or ANY other key = industrial
sector ) wholly owned or controlled by a foreign government = control
business.



"Mark"  wrote in message =
news:43cc7d41$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Eh, spin it out anyway you want Bob, but when Chavez takes to the =
airwaves offering cheap oil to the "poor people of the northeast"
of the = United States and congressmen from that region help his persona by
= taking him up on it, it doesn't sit well with me and it's not really any
= different than cutting deals with a foreign power, though that Citgo =
loophole is a nice soft landing for those that want to make the deals -- =
sort of like, "Jack who? I dealt with the Indians"

  Bottom-line: The U.S.A. deals with other countries, it's not for =
podunk congressmen, from podunk county, "anystate kinda sorta part
of" = the U.S." to do so.=20

  Next thing Arizona podunks will make deals with Chirac for free =
Perrier for illegal immigrants in the desert...

    "Robert G Lewis"  wrote in message =
news:43cc7a70{at}w3.nls.net...
    Are they really deals with Chavez or with Citgo, which happens to be =
owned by the government that Chavez is the elected leader of ?

    We have already decided that the Federal Government shouldn't be in =
the oil business. As long as the states are making deals with a private =
business ( Citgo) I don't see it as that much different from deals = states
make every day. Various states have made deals to give the poor a = break
on drugs, why not oil ?

    That's just a little bit difference from a state being involved in =
foreign policy.

    "Mark"  wrote in message =
news:43cc7742{at}w3.nls.net...
      Why do you have a problem with Politicians trying to get cheaper =
oil for their constituents ?=20

      Do you really want congressmen from all 50 states making side =
deals with Chavez and his ilk on a piecemeal basis? I sure don't and am =
amazed the feds didn't nix these deals before they got off the ground -- =
where do representatives of a few people (relatively speaking) get off =
cutting deals with foreign powers one-on-one anyway? Are we the United =
States of America, or are we 50 states that go as we please cutting = deals
with Castro, Chirac, Putin et al.?

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I'm not spinning Mark merely
pointing out some =
of the=20
technicalities.
 
Opposite side of the same coin, we have Companies =
making deals=20
with foreign powers as well. Do you feel that a company should have = greater=20
leeway to make a deal with a foreign power than an elected official, or = a=20
private citizen ? 
 
And of course we have had our non elected friendly =
heads of=20
states  help the US out with oil prices in the past through their = state=20
owned oil companies.. Only difference seems to be you don't like = Chavez's=20
politics. Would you have a problem with BP or Exxon doing the same thing =

?
 
Under optimum conditions we would have
large numbers =
of=20
companies involved in business with limited government ownership / = control. And=20
not have a decent part of US refinery capacity ( or ANY other key = industrial=20
sector ) wholly owned or controlled by a foreign government control =

business.
 
 
 
"Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>=20">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>=20
wrote in message news:43cc7d41$1{at}w3.nls.net...

  Eh, spin it out anyway you want Bob, =
but when=20
  Chavez takes to the airwaves offering cheap oil to the "poor people of =
the=20
  northeast" of the United States and congressmen from that =
region help his=20
  persona by taking him up on it, it doesn't sit well with me and it's =
not=20
  really any different than cutting deals with a foreign power, though =
that=20
  Citgo loophole is a nice soft landing for those that want to make the =
deals --=20
  sort of like, "Jack who? I dealt with the
Indians"
   
  Bottom-line: The U.S.A. deals with =
other=20
  countries, it's not for podunk congressmen, from podunk county, =
"anystate=20
  kinda sorta part of" the U.S." to do
so. 
   
  Next thing Arizona podunks will make =
deals with=20
  Chirac for free Perrier for illegal immigrants in the =
desert...
   
  

    "Robert G Lewis" <r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>">mailto:r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net">r.g.lewis{at}comcast.net>
=
wrote in=20
    message news:43cc7a70{at}w3.nls.net...
    Are they really deals with Chavez or
with Citgo, =
which=20
    happens to be owned by the government that Chavez is the elected =
leader of=20
    ?
     
    We have already decided that the Federal =
Government=20
    shouldn't be in the oil business. As long as the states are making =
deals=20
    with a private business ( Citgo) I don't see it as that much =
different from=20
    deals states make every day. Various states have made deals to give =
the poor=20
    a break on drugs, why not oil ?
     
    That's just a little bit difference
from a state =
being=20
    involved in foreign policy.
     
    "Mark" <nomail{at}hotmail.com>">mailto:nomail{at}hotmail.com">nomail{at}hotmail.com>
wrote =
in message=20
    news:43cc7742{at}w3.nls.net...
    

      Why do you have a problem with Politicians =
trying to get=20
      cheaper oil for their constituents ? 
       
      Do you really want congressmen from all 50 =
states making=20
      side deals with Chavez and his ilk on a piecemeal basis? I sure =
don't and=20
      am amazed the feds didn't nix these deals before they got off the =
ground=20
      -- where do representatives of a few people (relatively speaking) =
get off=20
      cutting deals with foreign powers one-on-one anyway? Are we the =
United=20
      States of America, or are we 50 states that go as we please =
cutting deals=20
      with Castro, Chirac, Putin et al.?
      

         

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