> I heard one all wise and knowing elite say on tv a while back "if we
> don't allow them (illegals) into the country, who's going to clean our
> toilets?"
> I thought "I got a suggestion for ya".

I think we're thinking of the same suggestion. . . hehh. . .

Those voting against the "ilegals" are doing grwat -- they use them for  cheap(beliow legal minwage) in their farms or estates, then make a big noise  against them to distract everyone, & to up the price on them for when they're  through with the current batch.

> Be nice if we had a check list of yes/no where our tax money is spent.
> I doubt those guys in DC or Ottawa would honour it.

Nope --for one thing, they'd be out on their collective benchwarmers first  thing!

I say there's a core set of costs that are must haves for everyone to  participate in, federally, (national defense, of course, & minimally required  amnounts to operate the government itself *sigh*, & others); let's vote on  therest of where our money goes.

& for rasises for pols -- they can propose a raise bill, but it only goes after
the next election, so if it's a bad move, the voters can directly respond to  it.

I mean, for you & me, raises go with merits & proven value to the boss.  Why  should these yutzes be excepted?

>> & even if I did lose some thing, I'm pretty darn sure nobody alive today was
> directly responsible!
> Same here.
> People are responsible for their own actions, not their ancestors.
> If that were true where does it stop?
> Should we hold people responsible for their grandparents actions?
> G-G-grandparents and on back to Adam and Eve?  At what point is it said "Ok,
> nothing past that date is important"?

That's wshen I finally bega to become a proper adult, when I realized that if I could blame my tendencies & troubles on my dad, I must grant him the same  privilege & then I had to think of how far back that might go. Then I realized  it's simpler to man up & take personal responsibilty -- If I knew poker then as I do now, I'd decide that I'm going to win even with crumby hands dealt to me.  (I do all the time)

I made someone fold 3 aces one time, & I had far less (only I knew this for  sure) in a live game a bunch of years ago -- fun stuff & a clear lesson in  life.

>> Not sure where the media gets its hate news from
> They like to take the worst of anything and make it seem everyone
> believes that.

& if they can';t find any, they're not averse to making some thing up out of 
whole cloth, or to manipulate people or events so as to make them more  newsworthy.

You watch a "Live" newscast on tv -- do you know 100% for sure when & where  each block of video was recorded, or even created in a studio?

They've madesome errors, like people pointing out how the big crowd had  du8plicate groups of people pasted in here & there. Or when shadows indicate  the stated time is incorrect.  It's harder to pull it off now,m with millions  the world over easily seeing it via internet & analyzing it with new tools  daily. . .

Good.

> And I think social media is to blame for a lot.
> At one time you had a crackpot with some crazy idea and people laughed
> at them or ignored them.  Today someone writes a crazy tweet and all these
> people agree.  Heaven help  us if we have actually that many crazy people
> running around.

No kidding!

>> . . .  Never met an evil man-hating feminist &/or lesbian.
> I've run into a few dislikeable people in my day on all sides, but they
> are just one and not the whole lot.
> But the vast majority, 95 per cent or more plus are normal people.
> Opinions sure, but not nut jobs.

Yup, I've talked with those with wild opinions both left & right of me, & even  more or less in my wedge; I mentally shrug & move on as quickly as I can  extricate myself without setting them off.

I do remind some people, as needed, that they do NOT speak for "all" they claim to speak for. Opinons are like rectums(recta?) -- everyone has one, but only  the hot wind output of your own don't stink.

/George

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