Mike wrote --

> >   So boys have no (or few) males as role models.  Or the wrong ones.
> 
> I think that causes our society a lot of trouble.  They may have a
> grandfather that is active in their life, but they often do not dish out
> the same discipline that a father might.

  Too often grandparents dote on the kids and let them run wild, the
opposite of what they did with the parents at that age.
  Joe
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