From: "Mark" 

Well, the Harvard thing was probably not the best example because it didn't
really relate to the suppression of student thought/expression directly,
but I found that incident to be entirely ridiculous. The president says, in
a nutshell, that "boys and girls are different."

Some chick claims to get almost physically sick over his lack of
acknowledgement of the "equality" of women and men and next thing
you know he's groveling at her feet and funding a $50 million dollar
program of some kind or another to appease her.

Sorry, but I found that whole scenario insane.

"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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> That's what I was questioning on your  post mentioning Harvard. I'm trying
> to figure out what campus actions ( there really are quite many ) that you
> find chilling.
>
>
> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>> Oh, we probably have a misunderstanding Rich, my intent wasn't to find
>> fault with your post, I was merely broadening the scope of the problem
>> (in general) via the danger of what we're allowing to take place under
>> our noses, and not only on campuses, but that it happens there is
>> particularly chilling.
>>
>> Which reminds me that I should send some money to F.I.R.E. (
>> http://www.thefire.org/ )
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>> news:43e18ac5{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> My original reply just stated that the owner of the paper was an
>>> Egyptian. In his case it's probably  a survival instinct kicking in.
>>>
>>> I will agree that what is offensive isn't necessarily hatefull but when
>>> one deals with fundies all bets on a civilized response are off - ask
>>> Rushdie. You can't ask Theo van Gogh as some fundie fanatic already
>>> offed him.
>>>
>>> It will be interesting to see how the EU handalls the boycott
>>>
>>> 'EU Trade Commissioner Peter Mandelson warned a Saudi official during a
>>> meeting in the Swiss ski resort of Davos that any boycott of Danish
>>> products was tantamount to a boycott of European goods.'
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>>>> Sorry if I was fuzzy, but your reply seems to employ
circular logic 
>>>>
>>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote
in message
>>>> news:43e184de$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> Can you be a bit less nebulous about your campus rant?
The problem
>>>>> isn't in the desire to contain 'hate' speech but in
what some say
>>>>> constitutes it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are talking about
>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:43e17fa8{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>I was serious Rich, all this "hate"
speech containment shit they've
>>>>>>got going on, on our campuses is no different than
shutting down these
>>>>>>cartoons, different people complaining, but the
same frigging sad sack
>>>>>>ideology behind it, i.e. "we" don't like
it, "you" can't do it and
>>>>>>sure enough everyone folds like a cheap suit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The president of Harvard, had he any balls, should
have fired that
>>>>>> lame complaining chick that calls herself a
professor. >>>>> speech containment appeasing union would have had
his head, but at
>>>>>> least he'd still have his balls and the campus
could actually talk
>>>>>> instead of cower to their inanity>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:43e17d18$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> Just make sure your paper's owner isn't from a
Moslem controlled
>>>>>>> country before you run the cartoons. Sounds
like the owner is in CYA
>>>>>>> mode
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The owner of France Soir, an Egyptian,
Raymond Lakah, said he fired
>>>>>>> LeFranc to demonstrate "respect for the
intimate beliefs of an
>>>>>>> individual" - apparently a reference to
religious beliefs."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mark" 
wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> Apparently the owner of that paper fired
the editor that made the
>>>>>>>> decision to run the cartoons and made a
groveling apology to
>>>>>>>> anyone, anywhere that was at any time offended.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That said, it occurs to me that the
president of Harvard and
>>>>>>>> students and faculty on campuses across
America have already given
>>>>>>>> up with their misadventures into
"hate speech" tenets within their
>>>>>>>> little fiefdoms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We've already lost. Buy the prayer mats or
die. >>>>>>> Alito can still save us, but it's doubtful>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:43e0c296{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/01/france.cartoon.ap/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PARIS, France (AP) -- A French
newspaper on Wednesday republished
>>>>>>>>> caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad
that caused uproar in the
>>>>>>>>> Muslim world when they were printed in
a Danish daily, saying that
>>>>>>>>> religious dogma has no place in a
secular society.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The drawings, first printed September
30 in Danish newspaper
>>>>>>>>> Jyllands-Posten and reprinted in a
Norwegian magazine last month,
>>>>>>>>> sparked boycotts and demonstrations
against Denmark throughout the
>>>>>>>>> Muslim world.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Islamic tradition bars any depiction
of the prophet to prevent
>>>>>>>>> idolatry.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The front page of the daily France
Soir on Wednesday carried the
>>>>>>>>> headline "Yes, We Have the Right
to Caricature God" and a cartoon
>>>>>>>>> of Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and
Christian gods floating on a
>>>>>>>>> cloud. Inside, the paper reran the drawings.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Germany's Welt daily also printed one
of the drawings on its front
>>>>>>>>> page on Wednesday, arguing that a
"right to blasphemy" was
>>>>>>>>> anchored in democratic freedoms.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The appearance of the 12
drawings in the Danish press provoked
>>>>>>>>> emotions in the Muslim world because
the representation of Allah
>>>>>>>>> and his prophet is forbidden. But
because no religious dogma can
>>>>>>>>> impose itself on a democratic and
secular society, France Soir is
>>>>>>>>> publishing the incriminating
caricatures," France Soir said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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