From: "Rich Gauszka" 

That's what I was questioning on your  post mentioning Harvard. I'm trying
to figure out what campus actions ( there really are quite many ) that you
find chilling.


"Mark"  wrote in message
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> Oh, we probably have a misunderstanding Rich, my intent wasn't to find
> fault with your post, I was merely broadening the scope of the problem (in
> general) via the danger of what we're allowing to take place under our
> noses, and not only on campuses, but that it happens there is particularly
> chilling.
>
> Which reminds me that I should send some money to F.I.R.E. (
> http://www.thefire.org/ )
>
> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
> news:43e18ac5{at}w3.nls.net...
>> My original reply just stated that the owner of the paper was an
>> Egyptian. In his case it's probably  a survival instinct kicking in.
>>
>> I will agree that what is offensive isn't necessarily hatefull but when
>> one deals with fundies all bets on a civilized response are off - ask
>> Rushdie. You can't ask Theo van Gogh as some fundie fanatic already offed
>> him.
>>
>> It will be interesting to see how the EU handalls the boycott
>>
>> 'EU Trade Commissioner Peter Mandelson warned a Saudi official during a
>> meeting in the Swiss ski resort of Davos that any boycott of Danish
>> products was tantamount to a boycott of European goods.'
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>>> Sorry if I was fuzzy, but your reply seems to employ circular
logic 
>>>
>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>>> news:43e184de$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>> Can you be a bit less nebulous about your campus rant? The problem
>>>> isn't in the desire to contain 'hate' speech but in what some say
>>>> constitutes it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you are talking about
>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>> news:43e17fa8{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>I was serious Rich, all this "hate" speech
containment shit they've got
>>>>>going on, on our campuses is no different than shutting
down these
>>>>>cartoons, different people complaining, but the same
frigging sad sack
>>>>>ideology behind it, i.e. "we" don't like it,
"you" can't do it and sure
>>>>>enough everyone folds like a cheap suit.
>>>>>
>>>>> The president of Harvard, had he any balls, should
have fired that
>>>>> lame complaining chick that calls herself a professor.
>>>> speech containment appeasing union would have had his
head, but at
>>>>> least he'd still have his balls and the campus could
actually talk
>>>>> instead of cower to their inanity>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich Gauszka" 
wrote in message
>>>>> news:43e17d18$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> Just make sure your paper's owner isn't from a
Moslem controlled
>>>>>> country before you run the cartoons. Sounds like
the owner is in CYA
>>>>>> mode
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The owner of France Soir, an Egyptian,
Raymond Lakah, said he fired
>>>>>> LeFranc to demonstrate "respect for the
intimate beliefs of an
>>>>>> individual" - apparently a reference to
religious beliefs."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:43e171eb{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>> Apparently the owner of that paper fired the
editor that made the
>>>>>>> decision to run the cartoons and made a
groveling apology to anyone,
>>>>>>> anywhere that was at any time offended.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, it occurs to me that the president
of Harvard and
>>>>>>> students and faculty on campuses across
America have already given
>>>>>>> up with their misadventures into "hate
speech" tenets within their
>>>>>>> little fiefdoms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We've already lost. Buy the prayer mats or
die. >>>>>> Alito can still save us, but it's doubtful>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:43e0c296{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/01/france.cartoon.ap/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PARIS, France (AP) -- A French newspaper
on Wednesday republished
>>>>>>>> caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that
caused uproar in the
>>>>>>>> Muslim world when they were printed in a
Danish daily, saying that
>>>>>>>> religious dogma has no place in a secular society.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The drawings, first printed September 30
in Danish newspaper
>>>>>>>> Jyllands-Posten and reprinted in a
Norwegian magazine last month,
>>>>>>>> sparked boycotts and demonstrations
against Denmark throughout the
>>>>>>>> Muslim world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Islamic tradition bars any depiction of
the prophet to prevent
>>>>>>>> idolatry.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The front page of the daily France Soir on
Wednesday carried the
>>>>>>>> headline "Yes, We Have the Right to
Caricature God" and a cartoon
>>>>>>>> of Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and Christian
gods floating on a cloud.
>>>>>>>> Inside, the paper reran the drawings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Germany's Welt daily also printed one of
the drawings on its front
>>>>>>>> page on Wednesday, arguing that a
"right to blasphemy" was anchored
>>>>>>>> in democratic freedoms.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The appearance of the 12 drawings in
the Danish press provoked
>>>>>>>> emotions in the Muslim world because the
representation of Allah
>>>>>>>> and his prophet is forbidden. But because
no religious dogma can
>>>>>>>> impose itself on a democratic and secular
society, France Soir is
>>>>>>>> publishing the incriminating
caricatures," France Soir said.
>>>>>>>>
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