From: "Mark" 

Oh, we probably have a misunderstanding Rich, my intent wasn't to find
fault with your post, I was merely broadening the scope of the problem (in
general) via the danger of what we're allowing to take place under our
noses, and not only on campuses, but that it happens there is particularly
chilling.

Which reminds me that I should send some money to F.I.R.E. (
http://www.thefire.org/ )

"Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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> My original reply just stated that the owner of the paper was an Egyptian.
> In his case it's probably  a survival instinct kicking in.
>
> I will agree that what is offensive isn't necessarily hatefull but when
> one deals with fundies all bets on a civilized response are off - ask
> Rushdie. You can't ask Theo van Gogh as some fundie fanatic already offed
> him.
>
> It will be interesting to see how the EU handalls the boycott
>
> 'EU Trade Commissioner Peter Mandelson warned a Saudi official during a
> meeting in the Swiss ski resort of Davos that any boycott of Danish
> products was tantamount to a boycott of European goods.'
>
>
>
> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>> Sorry if I was fuzzy, but your reply seems to employ circular
logic 
>>
>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
>> news:43e184de$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>> Can you be a bit less nebulous about your campus rant? The problem isn't
>>> in the desire to contain 'hate' speech but in what some say constitutes
>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>>> If you are talking about
>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
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>>>>I was serious Rich, all this "hate" speech
containment shit they've got
>>>>going on, on our campuses is no different than shutting down these
>>>>cartoons, different people complaining, but the same
frigging sad sack
>>>>ideology behind it, i.e. "we" don't like it,
"you" can't do it and sure
>>>>enough everyone folds like a cheap suit.
>>>>
>>>> The president of Harvard, had he any balls, should have
fired that lame
>>>> complaining chick that calls herself a professor. >>> containment appeasing union would have had his head, but
at least he'd
>>>> still have his balls and the campus could actually talk instead of
>>>> cower to their inanity>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote
in message
>>>> news:43e17d18$1{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>> Just make sure your paper's owner isn't from a Moslem controlled
>>>>> country before you run the cartoons. Sounds like the
owner is in CYA
>>>>> mode
>>>>>
>>>>> "The owner of France Soir, an Egyptian, Raymond
Lakah, said he fired
>>>>> LeFranc to demonstrate "respect for the intimate
beliefs of an
>>>>> individual" - apparently a reference to religious
beliefs."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:43e171eb{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>> Apparently the owner of that paper fired the
editor that made the
>>>>>> decision to run the cartoons and made a groveling
apology to anyone,
>>>>>> anywhere that was at any time offended.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, it occurs to me that the president of
Harvard and students
>>>>>> and faculty on campuses across America have
already given up with
>>>>>> their misadventures into "hate speech"
tenets within their little
>>>>>> fiefdoms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We've already lost. Buy the prayer mats or die.
>>>>> Alito can still save us, but it's doubtful>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rich Gauszka"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:43e0c296{at}w3.nls.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/01/france.cartoon.ap/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PARIS, France (AP) -- A French newspaper on
Wednesday republished
>>>>>>> caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that
caused uproar in the Muslim
>>>>>>> world when they were printed in a Danish
daily, saying that
>>>>>>> religious dogma has no place in a secular society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The drawings, first printed September 30 in
Danish newspaper
>>>>>>> Jyllands-Posten and reprinted in a Norwegian
magazine last month,
>>>>>>> sparked boycotts and demonstrations against
Denmark throughout the
>>>>>>> Muslim world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Islamic tradition bars any depiction of the
prophet to prevent
>>>>>>> idolatry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The front page of the daily France Soir on
Wednesday carried the
>>>>>>> headline "Yes, We Have the Right to
Caricature God" and a cartoon of
>>>>>>> Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and Christian gods
floating on a cloud.
>>>>>>> Inside, the paper reran the drawings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Germany's Welt daily also printed one of the
drawings on its front
>>>>>>> page on Wednesday, arguing that a "right
to blasphemy" was anchored
>>>>>>> in democratic freedoms.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The appearance of the 12 drawings in the
Danish press provoked
>>>>>>> emotions in the Muslim world because the
representation of Allah and
>>>>>>> his prophet is forbidden. But because no
religious dogma can impose
>>>>>>> itself on a democratic and secular society,
France Soir is
>>>>>>> publishing the incriminating
caricatures," France Soir said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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