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to: Bible John
from: duke
date: 2007-03-26 05:25:46
subject: Re: Roman Catholicism vs. The Bible

From: duke 

On Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:22:55 -0700, Bible John  wrote:

>Questions for Catholics
>1. Holy Spirit
>In the Catechism it says

>"Confirmation perfects Baptismal grace; it is the sacrament which gives
>the Holy Spirit in order to root us more deeply in the divine filiation,
>incorporate us MORE FIRMLY into Christ, strengthen our bond with the
>Church.." (#1316, p. 367)

>But the Bible does not teach this. Can you explain? The Bible teaches
>that all Christians have the Holy Spirit.

Only if baptized or confirmed.

> The Bible does not teach that
>one has to follow a Catholic doctrine to get the Holy Spirit,

That's for sure.

> nor does
>the Bible teach that one has to be Baptized in the Holy Spirit (a common
>Pentecostal doctrine).

Only if one wants to go to heaven.

>2. Eucharist
>In the Catechism it reads.

>"For this reason the Eucharist cannot unite us to Christ without at the
>same time cleansing us from past sins and preserving us from future
>sins:" (Pg. 390, #1393

>"By the same charity that it enkindles in us, the Eucharist preserves us
>from future mortal sins." (Pg. 390, #1395)

>But the Bible does not teach this. Can you explain? The Bible teaches
>that Jesus cleanses the believer from their sins.

And the Eucharist is the Body of Christ.

>In the Catechism it also reads.

>"The Eucharistic sacrifice is also offered for the faithful departed who
>'have died in Christ but are not yet wholly purified, so that they may
>be able to enter into the light and peace of Christ.'" (Pg. 382, # 1371

>"In the Eucharist, the Church expresses her efficacious communion with
>the departed..." (Pg. 469, #1689)

>Likewise the Bible does not teach this. Can you explain? The Bible
>teaches that the dead will face judgment, and there is unfortunately no
>hope for them. Mormons may also (like Catholics) teach that the dead can
>be saved, but the Bible does not teach this. What chapter and what verse
>teach this?

The bible teaches that one must be perfect(ed) to stand before God.

Other than that, you're confusing physically dead vs spiritually dead.

>3. Baptism
>The Catechism reads

>"The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for
salvation." (Pg.
>352, #1257)

>"The Church does not know of any other means other than Baptism that
>assures entry into eternal beatitude..." (Pg. 352, #1257)
>
>"The faithful are born anew by Baptism.."(Pg. 341, #1212).

John 3:5-6.

>What chapter and what verse in the Bible teach these doctrines? The
>Bible does not teach that Baptism is required for salvation. What
>chapter and what verse teach this?

I told you - John 3:5-6.

duke, American-American
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