On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, BOB KLAHN wrote to HOLGER GRANHOLM:

 HG> If there will be any updates to Windows. M$ seems to be in
 HG> big trouble since they are firing up to 18000 workers world
 HG> wide.

 BK>  Well, let's see. I just spent a lot of time restoring a computer 
 BK> for my daughter, one the uses Vista. Once more I hate Vista. 

 BK>  Now I'm hearing all sorts of bad things about Windows 8.

have you heard, yet, that W8 doesn't actually shut down when you shut it
down and power the machine off? ;)

)\/(ark