From: "Rich Gauszka" 

I agree

"The way of fighting Holocaust deniers is with history and with truth."

"Tim Boyer"  wrote in message
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> I've got real problems with this one.
>
> The problem with Irving is that he _isn't_ mentally challenged.  He has -
> or
> had - the respect of some pretty reputable historians, for some of the
> work
> he's done.  He's just completely whacko on this subject.
>
> He put Deborah Lipstadt through hell.  Her book about it is fascinating.
>
> But putting him in jail because of what he writes bothers the hell out of
> me. I
> wish they'd have jailed him for entering Austria when he'd been banned
> from the
> country - which is what happened - rather than for his unpopular political
> views.
>
> To quote Lipstadt:
>
> "I am not happy when censorship wins, and I don't believe in winning
> battles
> via censorship. The way of fighting Holocaust deniers is with history and
> with
> truth."
>
> -- tim --
>
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:08:14 -0500, "Rich Gauszka"

> wrote:
>
>>So in your society you choose to jail those that are mentally challenged?
>>That seems a bit more fascist than the cure/jail
>>
>>"Phil Payne" 
wrote in message
>>news:43fba4c7{at}w3....
>>>> FWIW I agree with you. While his denial of the holocaust was
>>>> ridiculous,
>>> to
>>>> jail him for it is just as reprehensible. One doesn't
always like what
>>>> one
>>>> hears in a free society
>>>
>>> I've had real fun chasing some of this sh1t up.
>>>
>>> He claims to be "one of only three people in the world who can read
>>> Himmler's handwriting".
>>>
>>> Hey.  There's four.  It's not hard if you've spent seven years reading
>>> the
>>> scribbles that Deep South german engineers write on their expense forms.
>>> A
>>> "1" that looks like a "7" on speed, etc.
>>>
>>> I damn well wish I'd been around when he's supposed to have issued his
>>> challenge.  The first page took less than twenty minutes, and by page 10
>>> I
>>> was down to under a minute.
>>>
>>> His conclusions from the Eichmann papers are contradictory - at one
>>> point
>>> he
>>> makes capital out of Eichmann having witnessed a machine-gunning and
>>> having
>>> a Jewish baby's brains cleaned from his uniform by his chauffeur, and
>>> deduces from this honesty that Eichmann was right when he said there
>>> were
>>> no
>>> gas chambers.  And then we have the invoices that the East Germans so
>>> carefully preserved with Eichmann's signature on them.
>>>
>>> One of the most common remarks is that Hitler knew nothing of the whole
>>> affair.  But there's a problem with that.  The Reichskanzler was
>>> notoriously
>>> careful about money, and there's no way the gas chambers could have been
>>> built without his signature on the requisitions.  As always - follow the
>>> money.
>>>
>>> Anyway - Mr Irving, although he defended himself in
"fluent German" -
>>> seems
>>> to have been ignorant of Austrian Federal Law.  The prosecution may not
>>> appeal against the leniency of the sentence unless the defendant appeals
>>> against its severity.  The the floodgates are opened.  Sentencing will
>>> now
>>> be repeated.  The rules are different - second time around the jury has
>>> little influence.  My money is on it being harsher.
>>>
>>>
>>
> --
> tim boyer
> tim{at}denmantire.com

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