From: "Rich Gauszka" 

Many here said that we would have a very difficult time that would require
the commitment of an enormous amount of resources and questioned as to
whether that commitment was justified. That's not an unwavering world view
but an opinion that is looking more accurate as time passes.

Things are shaking out rather badly right now


"Mark"  wrote in message news:43ff3fae{at}w3....
> We'll see how things shake out, you've been pessimistic since before the
> beginning, this is just one more event you're using to support your
> unwavering world-view that we lost before we started.
>
> "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
> news:43ff39b9{at}w3....
>> >Still others say the Shia have been remarkably restrained throughout, I
>> >agree with the latter.
>>
>> Not the last 2 days they weren't.  How many attacks on Sunni mosques was
>> it? how many Sunni's executed vigilante style.....
>>
>>> I wonder, had we done it right in the first Gulf war, whether we'd not
>>> be much better off today in general?
>>
>> Nope, it would have been the same as now -- Bush (Sr.) knew what would
>> happen (and wrote about it) and that's why we didn't go all the way.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Comer
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mark"  wrote in message
news:43ff1582{at}w3....
>>>
>>> "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
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>>>> "Gary Wiltshire"  wrote in message
>>>> news:op.s5gy4ojqeipai0{at}dsl40.bgtnvtpl.sover.net...
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:42:53 -0500, Rich Gauszka

>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  James Baker 1996
>>>>>> ``Removing him from power might well have plunged
Iraq into civil
>>>>>> war,
>>>>>> sucking U.S. forces in to preserve order. Had we
elected to march on
>>>>>> Baghdad, our forces might still be there.''
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny to see YOU quote him.  Just selectively when ONE
thing agrees
>>>>> with your weltanshauung.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary Wiltshire
>>>>
>>>> So Iraq is not on the brink of civil war?
>>>
>>> Some say so, some say not, some say they've been in one since we got
>>> there, others say they've been in one for 20 years. Still others say the
>>> Shia have been remarkably restrained throughout, I agree with the
>>> latter.
>>>
>>> That Baker thought in 1996 that we'd still be there then, five years
>>> after the initial invasion doesn't sound remarkable to me, as doesn't
>>> the fact that we'll still be there in 2008, five years from the
>>> beginning of this operation, and beyond.
>>>
>>> I wonder, had we done it right in the first Gulf war, whether we'd not
>>> be much better off today in general? I wonder if the governments in
>>> Syria and Iran would have long since toppled thus our current nuclear
>>> problem with Iran being nonexistent? We'll never know what would've
>>> happened, but walking around chanting about some mythical
"exit plan" as
>>> if that's the objective of the operation and wringing one's hands about
>>> how long we might be there, isn't really relevant to the task at hand.
>>> Is it?
>>>
>>
>>
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