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From: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" 
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Subject: Re: bluetooth speaker appears as a keyboard?!?
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:34:38 +0000
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In message , VanguardLH  
writes:
>J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
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>> I've found this one (Google EC101 bluetooth speaker). I'm _very_ taken

Sorry, I meant 'Google "EC101 bluetooth speaker" if you want to see one' 
- I didn't put the quotes in as I didn't want people to put them in.
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>> However: I obviously want to test it before giving, so I tried with this
>> (XP) computer. On the second and subsequent tries the computer sees it
>> no problem (first time might have been finger trouble) - but thinks it's
>> a keyboard!

>>(FWIW I have another
>> bluetooth speaker - a much bigger one - which works fine with this
>> machine.)
>
>Bluetooth will identify the communication protocol.  A driver is still
>required to identify the device on the other end of the communications
>channel.  Since you are posting in a Windows XP newsgroup, presumably
>you are trying to test the device on Windows XP.  However, I doubt your

Correct.

>friend is toting around a Windows XP computer on a shoulder strap.  So
>to what type of device will this Bluetooth speaker eventually get
>paired?  A smartphone?

Yes, an iPhone of some sort.
>
>Since the Bluetooth device got detected as a wireless keyboard, appears
>there is no embedded Bluetooth driver for the device type that the
>Bluetooth speaker reports as itself to your Windows XP operating system.

I'd guessed that as the most likely explanation.

>I doubt Google is producing or maintaining device drivers for an OS as
>old as Windows XP, especially for a new device model.  I don't remember

I understand the misunderstanding - I meant, above, "Google this to find 
it", not that it is a Google product.

>that Windows XP even came with Bluetooth support.  When I got a

Well, this netbook came with it.
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>software for it.  Do you have any other Bluetooth devices that have
>previously proven to work okay on your Windows XP instance?

Yes - as I said above. It's this one:

http://www.revlogistics.co.uk/product_details.php?part_code=SP-ACSOL-414/4845&d
escription=Acoustic_Solutions_Bluetooth_Speaker_-_Black_and_Silve
r_&cat_desc=HIFIStereo-Systems-&cat_id=AV_DVD%20PLAYER_REV&top=Audio&show_menu=
72

It worked fine, with no need for a driver.
>
>Have you ever had Bluetooth used on this Windows XP instance before?

The above - and another speaker at a friend's house.
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>If the site didn't mention supported operating systems, they figure

It's ebay item 202024909397 or 142519156516. It says "Connect via 
Bluetooth wireless devices, compatible (Android and Apple iOS 
smartphones, tablets and other Bluetooth devices)".

>whatever you're using has the embedded driver or definition files for
>the device type reported via Bluetooth from the device.  I suspect your
>friend's smartphone understands the device type reported by the device.

I expect so - I'd just like to have made sure it works. I'll try it on 
my Windows 7 machine, and failing that my (Android) smartphone.
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>EC101 is manufactured by Shenzhen Elicks Technology Co.  Good luck
>finding a technically detailed non-eengwish English manual for that
>device.  It never mentions standby time, only talk/music time (2 hours).
>
>Regarding backwards compatibility, might be, might not.  Often backward
>compatibility only extends back to some minimal version.  Don't know
>what version you are using on your Windows XP computer.

Nor do I (-:
>
>https://www.techlicious.com/tip/how-to-solve-bluetooth-pairing-problems/
>
>Also, when pairing, get your cordless phones, microwave ovens, and other
>RF devices out of range or further away.  If you have a USB 3 port
>(unlikely on Windows XP unless you installed a daughtercard), move the
>USB Bluetooth transceiver dongle away from the USB 3 port.  They can
>interfere with BlueTooth and RF wireless devices.

Yes, the above article says most of those. I have no USB3, and was 
holding the unit a few inches from the netbook. (Besides, I don't think 
it's a non-pairing problem - the netbook saw it [and only it], and 
identified the model (EC101) without being told; it just thought it was 
a keyboard not a speaker. FWIW, the XP "Bluetooth Device Selection" 
knows about the following types of device: "computers", "PDAs", "phones 
and modems", "audio devices", "network access points", "printers, 
cameras and scanners", and "mice, keyboards and joysticks".
>
>That doesn't mean the Bluetooth chips are backward compatible or support
>all functions.  That's why I mentioned the Bluetooth in your old Windows
>XP might be data-only, no audio.  A USB Bluetooth dongle with software
>would bring you up to date.

No, it's worked with speakers before. (In fact I think that's all I've 
ever used it for.)

The article you linked above says "Use the latest version of Bluetooth

Wireless speakers and headphones that support the latest Bluetooth 4.1 
standard, which launched last December, are better at pairing, Powell 
says. Many currently available devices support Bluetooth 3.0, which 
launched in 2010, and you can still buy speakers that use 2007's 
Bluetooth 2.1 standard. Though Bluetooth's backward compatibility means 
that these devices should still be able to connect to smartphones, for 
example, newer versions of Bluetooth have steadily increased abilities 
such as longer-range connections and quicker pairing."

So that sort of _implies_ that a 4.1 device ought to connect to any 
earlier version. Well, maybe it is "connecting", but the computer is not 
recognising it as the right _type_ of device.
>
>You sure you don't want to wait until you're with your friend to test
>the Bluetooth pairing from the speaker to your friend's smartphone?

No, as it's a present (-:

>Even if you got it working on your PC doesn't mean that's a guarantee it
>will work with the smartphone.

True.

Thanks for trying to help! I'll report back when I've tried it on my 7 
machine (assuming that actually has bluetooth!), and failing that my 
smartphone.
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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