Hyerdahl wrote:
> Ben wrote:
> > Hyerdahl wrote:
> > > MCP wrote:
> > > >
> http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/a-b/adams/2005/adams031705.htm
> > > >
> > > > March 17, 2005
> > > > by Mike S. Adams, Ph.D.
> > > >
> > > > In 2003, the Women's Resource Center (WRC) at UNC-Wilmington
> > > embarrassed the
> > > > university by placing an obscene advertisement for The Vagina
> > > Monologues
> > > > (TVM) just outside the entrance to the school cafeteria. The
> sign,
> > > reading
> > > > "p-----s unite," was even seen by children entering the
cafeteria
> > > with their
> > > > parents.
> > >
> > > [Well, I suppose that goes to show, just how women have taken
back
> > all
> > > those words MEN INVENTED to describe the female sex organ.
> >
> > We know that men invented these?
>
> Men have invented as many words for the female vagina as there are
> words; yes, we know that men invented slang words.  After all, why
> would a woman call her own sex organs "snatch".  :-)

My partner was interviewing a five year old girl once while I monitored
and recorded the interview from an adjoining room.  The little girl
referred to her vagina as a "snipper-snapper".  I was attempting to
re-hinge my lower jaw while my partner was learning that it was the
girl's mother who taught her to use that word for her vagina.

>
>  Isn't it educational to let children know what men thought of women
> and how men > attempted to denigrate the female sex organ,
> HIStorically?
> >
> > No, acting like a fool is never really educational for children.
>
> But it is men who invented slang (and mostly denigrating) words for
> women's sex organs, so they ARE the fools.

Perpetuating a foolishness doesn't make you less of a fool, whether or
not you started it.

>  They invented words to put
> down women's sex organs and now they're embarassed at having them
> exposed?

What makes you think it's just men?  Many women I know think TVM is the
stupidest thing they've ever heard of--and these are women used to
hearing stupid things from feminists.

>  I guess I'd hide my head in shame too, if I had originated
> that many slang words for a penis.  :-)> >

I think "dickdork" is original to you--I don't believe I've ever heard
that before.  :)   And that always struck me as a repititious term,
kind of like "househome".

> > >
>  Last week, the WRC decided to advertise TVM on the lighted marquee
>  in > front of the university. Wilmington residents were greeted by
the
> word "vagina" > flashing in bright lights as they passed the
university
> on the way to > work, to school, or to church. In fact, the flashing
> "vagina" sign was positioned> right across the street
from the Greek
> Orthodox Church and the administrative headquarters of the local
> Baptist Church.
> > >
> > > Again, isn't it time women took the denigratory words men
assigned
> to
> > > them and used them for GOOD?
> >
> > The word 'vagina' is derogatory?
>
> It all depends on how it's used, I suppose.  When men put huge signs
> for lap dance parlours on the way to down town Palm Springs, I'd say
> the effects of THAT are worse for girls than the mere word "vagina"
> which is a medical term of art.

I guess I don't see the need for *any* of it in big neon signs.

>
> >
> > >  You bitter boys who INVENTED such words,
> > > seem somewhat embarassed now that women are using them for good.
> >
> > Oh, I don't know, Hy...I'd be embarrassed if someone flashed the
word
> > 'penis' in bright lights outside a church too.
>
> Why?  What about a sign that said, "Penile tumors are becoming more
> commonplace; check your penis TODAY!"

Except, according to this article, the sign just said "Vagina".

>   The Vagina Monologues is just a
> play dedicated to making sure women are not silenced when it comes to
> their genitals.

Uh-huh.   lol

>  There's nothing wrong with the word, unless someone
> uses it to denigrate.
> > >
> > > > (edit of meninist vitriol)
> > >
> > > > But the most embarrassing part of the evening occurred when
UNC-W
> > > Chancellor Rosemary DePaolo was recognized in public by the
Vagina
> Warriors for> > establishing a domestic violence task force in the
wake
> of the> murders of > > two UNC-W students. This recognition was given
> despite DePaolo' > publi> > > admission that she spent less time on
the
> murders of the two> students > than> > > she spent on a hazing
incident
> involving the UNC-W swim team. Both > murdered > > women had been
> stalked by male students with prior criminal records.
> > >
> > > So, that seems a positive use of time, no?
> >
> > It depends--was the hazing related to the homicides?
>
> I can't answer that; I don't know the story.
> > > >
> > > > The chancellor's decision to attend the Vagina Monologues (and
to
> > be recognized by the Vagina Warriors) raises serious questions
about
> > her > judgment. But I also wonder where the Board of Trustees
stands
> on a > few > > issues. For example:
> > >
> > > I'd support her.
> >
> > You're on the Board of Trustees?
>
> The word "I'd" indicates that if I were in the position,
"I'd"
support
> her.  Had I used the word "I'll" would be another matter.  Words mean
> things.

I know, I was being a smartass.

>
> >
> > > >
> > > > 1. Does the Board condemn the use of the
"c-word" as degrading
to
> > > women? Or
> > > > do they, like (recently resigned) Colorado University President
> > > Elizabeth
> > > > Hoffman, think the word is sometimes endearing?
> > >
> > > The word has been taken away from bitter boys.
> >
> > Not really.  Any man I know of can still say the word.  All they've
> > done to it was add a new level of foolishness to its use.
>
> Well, women having taken it into the open, only makes men appear
> foolish and boorish when they use the word.  If a man wanted to use
> that word to one of my female family members, I'd ask the DICKWAD
what
> he wanted. :-)

Then you'd both be playing in the mud.

> >
> > > >
> > > > 2. Does the Board approve of the sale of sex-organ shaped
> lollipops
> > > at
> > > > university-sponsored events?
> > >
> > > I see no problem with it;  you boys can have a penis shaped one.
> >
> > Personally, I'd like to see everyone act like grownups and not be
so
> > obsessed with their genitalia.
>
> Tell that to the MEN who purchase thousands of dollars worth of
> genitalia magazines every year.

They're wasting their money.  However, the apparent difference between
them and the vagina warriors running around doing the equivalent of
shouting "pee-pee!" and "ca-ca!" because they mistake
offending and
shocking people with empowering themselves is that those men are
reading their magazines in private.  As are the women reading Playgirl.

>  They started it.

My mother used to use the "If everyone jumped off a bridge..." line
with me.  Didn't yours use it with you?

> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 3a) Does the Board condemn the questioning of a six-year-old
girl
> > > about the
> > > > smell of her vagina? b) Do they see this as evidence of
> pedophilia?
> > > c) Are
> > > > they willing to condemn pedophilia, despite the campus emphasis
> on
> > > moral
> > > > relativism?
> > >
> > > No, questioning an actor PLAYING a child about their sex organs
is
> > not > pedophilia unless you're doing it for sexual stimulation.
> >
> > So then, as far as you're concerned, putting on a play in which
> > domestic violence is portrayed in positive terms with positive
> benefits
> > would not tend to imply approval of its use (though, for the
record,
> I
> > don't believe an actor in a play is evidence of pedophilia)?
>
> I don't see any positive benefits to pedophilia,

Nor do I, which means you didn't read what I was saying.

> nor is there any in
> Vagina M.

Positive benefits?  Or pedophilia?

>  You are smoking dope.  :-)

Not anymore.  I had to stop years ago.  However, I will admit that,
during these debates, there are times when doing a bowl or two doesn't
seem like such a bad idea.  ;)



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