I thank you for a serious and thoughtful response.

Hyerdahl wrote:
> ilya_shambat2004{at}yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I've heard people in America often say such things as, "We all have
> > problems, just some do a better job of hiding them."
> >
> > My response: "Wrong ethnic group."
>
> [Howso?  We all do have problems; no one goes thru life unblemished.]
>
> > It is a veritable tradition in WASP culture for people to hide
their
> > problems. The obvious result is that wrong does not get redressed,
> but
> > rather hides in families and communities, under a false pretext of
> > decency.
>
> [I tend to agree with that.]
>
>  A man puts on a smile and harms everybody around him, then
> > goes home to brutally beat his wife and do worse things still to
his
> > children. The pain and frequently horror that many people deal with
> > becomes a guilty and shameful secret; something for which they are
> > blamed rather than the person who commits injury against them.
>
> [A lot of that sort of thing, went on back in the 50s, which is, IMO,
> why we witnessed the kinds of dissent of the 60s.  Hippies were
> dissalusioned with the lies of (mostly) waspish culture and rebelled,
> resulting in the sexual revolution and the anti-war position, drug
> culture, etc. ]
>
>  The> wrong, not being expressed, does not get redressed. And a
> community
> > marketing itself and deriving its legitimacy from claiming to make
> > people happy survives through brutality, cruelty, and dishonesty;
and
> a
> > smilie face drawn over an abyss of evil entraps the residents while
> > making the world think, not only that it is OK, but that it is in
> fact
> > morally superior.
>
> [I think you've overstated your position here, but certainly there is
> the notion that white people intrinsicly believe they are superior,
and
> they usually promote this notion, by presenting the material advances
> made by white cultures, compared to the less technological advances
of
> other cultures.  Education _can_ remedy that black and white kind of
> logic.]
>
> >
> > I am reminded of Muammar Quaddafi saying that Lybians live in
> paradise.
> > Do Lybians live in paradise? The question is absurd; but we see the
> > same hypocrisy and deception practiced by America's Southern and
> > Midwestern communities - the communities that furthermore have
> > appointed themselves as arbiter of America's culture and its moral
> > conscience. They claim to be righteous, happy and provident. They
are
> > neither of the preceding. They are swamps of cruelty and deception;
> and
> > those who have lived there experience these things for themselves.
>
> [I'm not sure you can compare the kinds of corruption that occur in
> Redneck Republics with the kinds of corruption that occur in places
> where people are raped, beaten and killed in the name of govt.
> interventions. However, you are still correct to see that paradise
> cannot really exist wherever people are oppressed.]
> >
> > As a corollary of that WASP attitude - of hiding problems even at
the
> > price of life and sanity is utter contempt for people's emotions.
> > Apparently they see emotional response as a liability. IN so doing
of
> > course they greatly diminish human experience; and the so-called
"60s
> > generation," as it has been maligned by gen-X morons who want to
> blame
> > their parents for everything wrong in America, did precisely the
> right
> > thing of rebelling against such impoverishing, strangulating,
> deceptive
> > social codes and bringing the human in human being alive - as it
well
> > ought to be.
>
> [Amen]
> >
> >(edit)
> >
> > So this is my verdict on WASP culture. It is a culture of cruelty
and
> > hypocrisy. Given its attitudes, both are inevitable; and for as
long
> as
> > it retains such qualities and "values" then both will continue to
> exist
> > inside it, from generation to generation in perpetuity. And the
> people
> > who get the worst of it will always be the best: Sensitive artistic
> > souls who refuse to shut down their emotional core and inner
> > sensibility. WHich, for as long as the WASP culture will continue
> > doing, will always require someone like me - or Ginsberg, or
Sinclair
> > Lewis - to address.
>
> [The truth of the matter, Illya...is that as long as people seek any
> particular form of govt. at the point of a gun, or some enslavement
of
> such people, society will lose.  And, you don't have to worry so much
> about American culture.  America is losing her middle class by
design,
> (by the designs of the wealthy people who deceived America and got
Bush
> elected) and ...to that end, America will be lost in the scheme of
> things and will not be able to perpetuate her waspish notions,
> especially those based in religous fundamentalism.  The biggest
problem
> America has right now, is the miseducation of her people. Other
> cultures will come forward.  ]
>
> >
> > Ilya Shambat.



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