From: "Mark" 

(if Bush doesn't pull a military takeover anyway)

Thanks Bob, I needed that touch of humor! I'm still in a bad mood, but not
as bad as before, maybe I'll take two aspirin and feel better in the
morning
 

"Robert Comer"  wrote in message
news:44066369$1{at}w3....
> First off, sorry for the harshness of my last message, I got a bit
> frustrated about what you think I support. I *do not want* us to lose in
> Iraq or anywhere else, I'm just saying things like I see them.
>
> And, btw, I'd only blame Bush and his administration for any new attacks
> on us in the near future....
>
>>I guess I'm overly pessimistic (and maybe just in bad mood from all the
>>constant BS being slung around like so much chum off the back of liberal's
>>yacht), but things like only 3 or so newspapers in the entire friggin
>>country "brave" enough to publish some friggin cartoons,
makes me feel
>>we've already lost anyway.
>
> The one cartoon that the Muslims were most offended by *was* offensive --
> not rioting and killing offensive, but offensive.  The newspaper knew it
> was going to cause that kind of reaction, so they are partly to blame.
>
> The same kind of issue is all over our society and blaming the Muslims is
> just a scapegoat -- try calling someone the n* word on a crowded bus, call
> anyone a ho' in public, go tell your boss to screw himself, yell fire in a
> crowded theater, ... , -- some of these things are illegal to do and the
> others are just plain stupid as it's going to cause way more problems than
> it could possibly ever solve.  (note that the first amendment doesn't
> cover *any* of these situations, nor does it cover the cartoons.)
>
>> So maybe the Zogby poll is right, maybe the troops see our illustrious
>> press and wonder what the frig the point is. If so, it's over for us. So
>> as I said, get your prayer mat out, it's already there.
>
> Stop being so pessimistic, we will survive this, of that I have very
> little doubt. (if Bush doesn't pull a military takeover anyway)  Our
> system is strong, even though we do some extremely stupid things from time
> to time!  I dread all the deaths that have been caused by current
> policies, but it is what it is, I can't change that, I'm speaking up more
> and more vocally to stop the stupidness in the hopes that doesn't happen
> again.
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
> "Mark"  wrote in message
news:44065e07$1{at}w3....
>>I guess I'm overly pessimistic (and maybe just in bad mood from all the
>>constant BS being slung around like so much chum off the back of liberal's
>>yacht), but things like only 3 or so newspapers in the entire friggin
>>country "brave" enough to publish some friggin cartoons,
makes me feel
>>we've already lost anyway.
>>
>> So maybe the Zogby poll is right, maybe the troops see our illustrious
>> press and wonder what the frig the point is. If so, it's over for us. So
>> as I said, get your prayer mat out, it's already there.
>>
>> "Robert Comer"  wrote in message
>> news:44065bea$1{at}w3....
>>>> Then go out and buy your prayer mat Bob
>>>
>>> Geeze Mark, you so far out of touch with what I think that it isn't even
>>> funny -- kick their ass if they try to take over, plaster them, nuke
>>> them, fine by me.
>>>
>>>> I doubt that we'll wake up even if we lose a dozen major cities.
>>>
>>> If we lose any cities it will be because of our policies in the middle
>>> east and I'll blame each and every death on Bush and those who support
>>> him.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob Comer
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mark"  wrote in message
news:44065abd$1{at}w3....
>>>> Then go out and buy your prayer mat Bob and don't look at
any cartoons
>>>> on your way to the store, cause that's where we're headed
with the help
>>>> of the peaceniks and press -- I doubt that we'll wake up even if we
>>>> lose a dozen major cities.
>>>>
>>>> "Robert Comer" 
wrote in message
>>>> news:44065a12$1{at}w3....
>>>>>> Anything's possible Bob, but "these
blogs" have been consistent from
>>>>>> the get-go, it's Zogby (or that peace outfit) that
is the outlier
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Zogby isn't an outlier either, there's have been
similar stories all
>>>>> along. Not quite to that degree I'll grant you, but the
>>>>> discontent..... No clear mission is a *killer* for
military moral.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bob Comer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mark"  wrote in
message news:440650f1$1{at}w3....
>>>>>> Anything's possible Bob, but "these
blogs" have been consistent from
>>>>>> the get-go, it's Zogby (or that peace outfit) that
is the outlier
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Robert Comer"
 wrote in message
>>>>>> news:44064fec$1{at}w3....
>>>>>>> We don't truly know if these blogs are any
more representative than
>>>>>>> the Zogby story unfortunately.  They could
well be just plain
>>>>>>> military controlled propaganda. They've
admitted doing the same to
>>>>>>> the Iraqi's, so I wouldn't be surprised if
they're trying to win our
>>>>>>> hearts and minds under false pretenses too...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Bob Comer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mark" 
wrote in message news:44061574{at}w3....
>>>>>>>>
http://officersclub.blogspot.com/2006/02/somethings-not-right-here.htm
l
>>>>>>>> "Look, you can take Le Moyne College
and John Zogby's word on it,
>>>>>>>> and let them act as middleman between you
and troops in Iraq, or
>>>>>>>> you can go directly hundreds of troops in
the Middle East via their
>>>>>>>> individual blogs. I recommend
milblogging.com, The Mudville
>>>>>>>> Gazette, or Blackfive as a portal to
getting to those guys. Don't
>>>>>>>> be surprised when you find that what the
troops say, and what Zogby
>>>>>>>> says the troops are saying doesn't exactly
match-up."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Adam"
<""4thwormcastfromthemolehill\"{at}the field.near the
bridge">
>>>>>>>> wrote in message news:4405ffd8{at}w3....
>>>>>>>>> Given all that we've heard from the
Right about listening to the
>>>>>>>>> troops
>>>>>>>>> etc.....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0301/dailyUpdate.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "A large majority of US troops
think the US should withdraw
>>>>>>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>> from Iraq within a year. Stars and
Stripes reports that the poll
>>>>>>>>> of 944
>>>>>>>>> US troops in Iraq, conducted by Zogby
International, found that
>>>>>>>>> only 23
>>>>>>>>> percent of service members felt that
the US should "stay as long
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> needed." Although the poll,
conducted in January and February of
>>>>>>>>> 2006,
>>>>>>>>> was carried out without Pentagon
approval, Zogby International
>>>>>>>>> said they
>>>>>>>>> did have the approval of commanders in Iraq.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Of the 72 percent, 22 percent said
troops should leave within
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> next six months, and 29 percent said
they should withdraw
>>>>>>>>> "immediately."
>>>>>>>>> Twenty-one percent said the US
military presence should end within
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> year; 5 percent weren't sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The poll was funded by Le Moyne
College's Center for Peace and
>>>>>>>>> Global
>>>>>>>>> Studies, which received money for the
project from an anonymous
>>>>>>>>> antiwar
>>>>>>>>> activist. John Zogby, the president of
Zogby International, said
>>>>>>>>> neither
>>>>>>>>> the college nor the donor had imput on
the content of the poll, or
>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> it was conducted. Of those surveyed,
75 percent had served
>>>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>>>> tours in Iraq, 63 percent were under
30 years of age, and 25
>>>>>>>>> percent
>>>>>>>>> were women.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One surprising finding in the poll is
that 85 percent of those
>>>>>>>>> surveyed
>>>>>>>>> believe that the US's main mission in
Iraq is to retaliate against
>>>>>>>>> Saddam Hussein for his role in the
Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
>>>>>>>>> Numerous
>>>>>>>>> commissions and studies have been
unable to find that Iraq played
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>> role in the 9/11 bombings."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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